At 2/23/23 10:05 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/23/23 09:04 PM, Dolorious wrote:2018 was 2 years before I actually gave much a shit about politics. I only started to really pay attention once 2020 hit. Before then I was focused on making animations and 3d modeling before my old pc shit itself. (Thankfully I have a different pc now, but it's pretty outdated compared to most other desktops.)

I think people are just basing their opinion on you from your many conspiracies in the political section...

At 2/24/23 09:43 PM, LittleWashu wrote:In other news while the leader of the US is once again putting Americans last President Trump on Wenesday goes to East Palestine to deliver some well needed help for the people.

Yet despite all this none of the News stations not even the Conservative ones covered this.

At 2/24/23 08:54 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:

At 2/22/23 05:24 AM, Dolorious wrote:>The train was on fire 20 miles before complete derailment
>While going around 100 miles an hour

Got sources for these? Because damn, that is a nightmare scenario.

Half true. While part of the train was already on fire five miles before derailment, it was only going 47 mph (speed limit for trains is 50). Based on the NTSB report, the crew got the alert far too late to be able to do anything about it, which suggests multiple layers of mechanical/electrical failure.

Also, the screenshot posted makes an interesting point: the train was not classified as a high hazard train for whatever reason, which would have a) required notification of local/OH state governments the train was crossing through their regions and b) would have required additional safety precautions.

At 2/25/23 01:42 PM, EdyKel wrote:@LittleWashu

Also, besides cutting regulations on train breaks that could have led to this tragedy in Ohio, Trump also fought like hell against the Roundup lawsuit, which was causing brain cancer in young kids, and argued that just removing the warning label would fix the problem.

At 2/25/23 02:01 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 01:42 PM, EdyKel wrote:@LittleWashu

Also, besides cutting regulations on train breaks that could have led to this tragedy in Ohio, Trump also fought like hell against the Roundup lawsuit, which was causing brain cancer in young kids, and argued that just removing the warning label would fix the problem.

And how long as the party of big government regulations been in charge of executive branch of government? Answer since Joe Biden has been in office. If this was truly a problem then why didn't they wait for it... PUT THOSE REGULATIONS BACK IN?! It has been over 2 years since the big government party has taken the white house, so there is no excuse for them not to do their job if those regulations were so important.

Donald Trump no longer has the power of the federal government so just like how liberals have said time and time again to stop blaming Obama for things that happened after he was in office when Trump was in charge, kindly stop trying to blame Trump when he isn't in power.

At 2/25/23 02:21 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:01 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 01:42 PM, EdyKel wrote:@LittleWashu

Also, besides cutting regulations on train breaks that could have led to this tragedy in Ohio, Trump also fought like hell against the Roundup lawsuit, which was causing brain cancer in young kids, and argued that just removing the warning label would fix the problem.

And how long as the party of big government regulations been in charge of executive branch of government? Answer since Joe Biden has been in office. If this was truly a problem then why didn't they wait for it... PUT THOSE REGULATIONS BACK IN?! It has been over 2 years since the big government party has taken the white house, so there is no excuse for them not to do their job if those regulations were so important.

Donald Trump no longer has the power of the federal government so just like how liberals have said time and time again to stop blaming Obama for things that happened after he was in office when Trump was in charge, kindly stop trying to blame Trump when he isn't in power.

You are supporting, defending, and promoting, such people who deregulate such things that lead to these types of incidents, and then blame everyone else but those who actually created the conditions for those things with their small govermnet ideology - while virtual signaling about their morality and innocence.

What is wrong with you? Why do you treat politics like a political fooball game, treating political parties like teams where you faithfully cheer one on? You vote for parties on their platform and policies, not root for them against the other team because you hate them.

At 2/25/23 03:38 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:21 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:01 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 01:42 PM, EdyKel wrote:@LittleWashu

Also, besides cutting regulations on train breaks that could have led to this tragedy in Ohio, Trump also fought like hell against the Roundup lawsuit, which was causing brain cancer in young kids, and argued that just removing the warning label would fix the problem.

And how long as the party of big government regulations been in charge of executive branch of government? Answer since Joe Biden has been in office. If this was truly a problem then why didn't they wait for it... PUT THOSE REGULATIONS BACK IN?! It has been over 2 years since the big government party has taken the white house, so there is no excuse for them not to do their job if those regulations were so important.

Donald Trump no longer has the power of the federal government so just like how liberals have said time and time again to stop blaming Obama for things that happened after he was in office when Trump was in charge, kindly stop trying to blame Trump when he isn't in power.

You are supporting, defending, and promoting, such people who deregulate such things that lead to these types of incidents, and then blame everyone else but those who actually created the conditions for those things with their small govermnet ideology - while virtual signaling about their morality and innocence.

Once again you are trying to remove the blame off of your preferred political party while putting it all on the party you think is toxic. Even Joe Biden himself said "the buck stops with him" and last I checked his is the man who is in the oval office and the person he chose to be the transportation Sec was in charge to keep things like this from happening. Donald Trump as I said before no longer has control of the levers of power and he hasn't been in charge for over 2+ years. The right thing to do for the people in charge if they felt this was truly an issue would have been to put back in those regulations like they have been doing with other things for the past 2+ years because god knows Joe Biden and his party was putting in a lot of regulations on many things.

But on a side note in case you missed it, I did put blame on the GOP for this as well. Or did you forget when I said this was a failure on both parties. AKA the train wreak being on the Democrats due to what I mentioned in the above paragraph, and the GOP for doing the "Controlled Burn" which in reality wasn't truly a controlled burn seeing as if it was they would have done it in place where the chemicals couldn't get into the ecosystem to poison the people of that town.

At 2/24/23 10:29 PM, EdyKel wrote:Probably because Trump was obviously using it to help his sagging 2024 campaign. All he did was embarrass himself. His speech he gave was only 10 minutes long, and in front of a small, selected, crowd. And it veered into jets and attacking his opponents. It's true that he gave away bottle water there, but it was Trump branded water. Then, I guess, he went to McDonalds and gave away signed MAGA hats....

At 2/25/23 09:37 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:

At 2/24/23 10:29 PM, EdyKel wrote:Probably because Trump was obviously using it to help his sagging 2024 campaign. All he did was embarrass himself. His speech he gave was only 10 minutes long, and in front of a small, selected, crowd. And it veered into jets and attacking his opponents. It's true that he gave away bottle water there, but it was Trump branded water. Then, I guess, he went to McDonalds and gave away signed MAGA hats....

I figured it was probably some off-brand or whatever, but it's still more than what the residents have been seeing. Something is more than nothing when it comes to appearances.

Which begs the question: Why did it take Trump and Erin Brockovitch taking trips there for Pete Buttigieg to make a trip there, when the residents had previously demanded he show up? Hell, he could have even taken the 30 seconds to send a couple of tweets right after. I realize Biden sent the EPA there immediately, but people don't make the mental connection between the person and the agency and figure they just decided to go there themselves. This allowed Trump and the GOP to clamp onto the issue. Massive own goal by Buttigieg and the Biden administration.

On that note, I don't really blame Biden for the response to the derailment, but I do blame Buttiegieg for being slow to act. Not to mention, he was MIA when the railroad unions threatened to strike, which forced Biden to get involved.

At 2/25/23 04:57 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/25/23 03:38 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:21 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:01 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 01:42 PM, EdyKel wrote:@LittleWashu

Also, besides cutting regulations on train breaks that could have led to this tragedy in Ohio, Trump also fought like hell against the Roundup lawsuit, which was causing brain cancer in young kids, and argued that just removing the warning label would fix the problem.

And how long as the party of big government regulations been in charge of executive branch of government? Answer since Joe Biden has been in office. If this was truly a problem then why didn't they wait for it... PUT THOSE REGULATIONS BACK IN?! It has been over 2 years since the big government party has taken the white house, so there is no excuse for them not to do their job if those regulations were so important.

Donald Trump no longer has the power of the federal government so just like how liberals have said time and time again to stop blaming Obama for things that happened after he was in office when Trump was in charge, kindly stop trying to blame Trump when he isn't in power.

You are supporting, defending, and promoting, such people who deregulate such things that lead to these types of incidents, and then blame everyone else but those who actually created the conditions for those things with their small govermnet ideology - while virtual signaling about their morality and innocence.

Once again you are trying to remove the blame off of your preferred political party while putting it all on the party you think is toxic. Even Joe Biden himself said "the buck stops with him" and last I checked his is the man who is in the oval office and the person he chose to be the transportation Sec was in charge to keep things like this from happening. Donald Trump as I said before no longer has control of the levers of power and he hasn't been in charge for over 2+ years. The right thing to do for the people in charge if they felt this was truly an issue would have been to put back in those regulations like they have been doing with other things for the past 2+ years because god knows Joe Biden and his party was putting in a lot of regulations on many things.

But on a side note in case you missed it, I did put blame on the GOP for this as well. Or did you forget when I said this was a failure on both parties. AKA the train wreak being on the Democrats due to what I mentioned in the above paragraph, and the GOP for doing the "Controlled Burn" which in reality wasn't truly a controlled burn seeing as if it was they would have done it in place where the chemicals couldn't get into the ecosystem to poison the people of that town.

Deflection nonsense.

TL:DR I didn't put pure blame on the democrats unlike yourself who is trying to remove all wrong doing from your preferred political party.

All I did was point to the policies of Trump that were the foundation of this incident, and those who support them, in response to your post about Trump not getting enough credit for his visit to that region by the media. It's like watching Trump bitch slapping the victims, while trying to claim it was his political opponent's fault - with you dressed in MAGA gear going "GO TRUMP. YEAH!!!!"

You can't even point out the actual reasons why Biden, or DeWine, were at fault for it, without excusing the underlying causes of it that were supported by people like Trump when they were, or still in, power. All you want is the Republican party taken over by more rabid, hyper partisan, far right, Trumpists, because that is who you mindlessly root for.

At 2/26/23 03:41 AM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 04:57 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/25/23 03:38 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:21 PM, EdyKel wrote:

At 2/25/23 02:01 PM, LittleWashu wrote:

At 2/25/23 01:42 PM, EdyKel wrote:@LittleWashu

Also, besides cutting regulations on train breaks that could have led to this tragedy in Ohio, Trump also fought like hell against the Roundup lawsuit, which was causing brain cancer in young kids, and argued that just removing the warning label would fix the problem.

And how long as the party of big government regulations been in charge of executive branch of government? Answer since Joe Biden has been in office. If this was truly a problem then why didn't they wait for it... PUT THOSE REGULATIONS BACK IN?! It has been over 2 years since the big government party has taken the white house, so there is no excuse for them not to do their job if those regulations were so important.

Donald Trump no longer has the power of the federal government so just like how liberals have said time and time again to stop blaming Obama for things that happened after he was in office when Trump was in charge, kindly stop trying to blame Trump when he isn't in power.

You are supporting, defending, and promoting, such people who deregulate such things that lead to these types of incidents, and then blame everyone else but those who actually created the conditions for those things with their small govermnet ideology - while virtual signaling about their morality and innocence.

Once again you are trying to remove the blame off of your preferred political party while putting it all on the party you think is toxic. Even Joe Biden himself said "the buck stops with him" and last I checked his is the man who is in the oval office and the person he chose to be the transportation Sec was in charge to keep things like this from happening. Donald Trump as I said before no longer has control of the levers of power and he hasn't been in charge for over 2+ years. The right thing to do for the people in charge if they felt this was truly an issue would have been to put back in those regulations like they have been doing with other things for the past 2+ years because god knows Joe Biden and his party was putting in a lot of regulations on many things.

But on a side note in case you missed it, I did put blame on the GOP for this as well. Or did you forget when I said this was a failure on both parties. AKA the train wreak being on the Democrats due to what I mentioned in the above paragraph, and the GOP for doing the "Controlled Burn" which in reality wasn't truly a controlled burn seeing as if it was they would have done it in place where the chemicals couldn't get into the ecosystem to poison the people of that town.

Deflection nonsense.

Wrong again. You once again are like just about every leftist I have seen are trying to remove responsibility from the democrats while pinning it on Trump even when the man isn't in power just because he changed the rules while he was in power. I might have given it to you had this happened shortly after Biden got into office seeing as they wouldn't have had the time to change the laws back, but as I pointed out they had 2+ years to change the regulations as they seen fit but they left them alone.

The TDS is still strong with you my friend.

TL:DR I didn't put pure blame on the democrats unlike yourself who is trying to remove all wrong doing from your preferred political party.

All I did was point to the policies of Trump that were the foundation of this incident, and those who support them, in response to your post about Trump not getting enough credit for his visit to that region by the media. It's like watching Trump bitch slapping the victims, while trying to claim it was his political opponent's fault - with you dressed in MAGA gear going "GO TRUMP. YEAH!!!!"

Yet once again you ignore that TRUMP ISN'T THE ONE IN POWER ANYMORE! if his policies were the problem THEN WHY DIDN'T THE NEW PEOPLE IN CHARGE CHANGE THEM! It was their responsibility to do so yet they left his policies intact for 2+ years after he was out of power. This happened on their watch not his.

You can't even point out the actual reasons why Biden, or DeWine, were at fault for it, without excusing the underlying causes of it that were supported by people like Trump when they were, or still in, power. All you want is the Republican party taken over by more rabid, hyper partisan, far right, Trumpists, because that is who you mindlessly root for.

I already explained it several times why they were at fault but like every time I mention Trump you ignore everything else and focus on him. But I will once again explain it again.

Biden is the current person in charge and Pete was the current Transportation sec which means that if they see issues with policy that can be a problem it is their job to change them. As I mentioned before I would have conceded to your points had this happened when they first started meaning they wouldn't have had the time to change the policies, however they have been on the job for over 2+ years so sorry there is no excuse especially when as I mentioned they were adding tons of new regulations on many other things in less time so it is quite obvious that they either (A) thought the regulations for this weren't needed or (B) they just didn't care.

As for the Ohio GOP or rather the governor of Ohio answer me this who gave the order for said burn? Answer the Governor who is a member of the GOP. It was his decision to do this that caused the eco disaster that happened which is why I just like I put blame onto the democrats for this happening on their watch, I also placed blame on the GOP for doing said burn which destroyed the eco system of that poor town.

In other words it was a bipartisan failure.

At 2/26/23 12:36 AM, EdyKel wrote:The only reason this has gotten so much attention, as if it was a Chernobyl level disaster, is because Conservatives are treating it as such, over a highly conservative town, in an important swing state. And that caught many officials off by surprise. For god's sake, they are already claiming that the Biden administration is treating Ukraine better with a visit and more aid than his own country with this. That's how absurd, and heavily politicized, it has become, creating a lot more fear. And many posters are echoing it.

At 2/26/23 09:12 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:

At 2/26/23 12:36 AM, EdyKel wrote:The only reason this has gotten so much attention, as if it was a Chernobyl level disaster, is because Conservatives are treating it as such, over a highly conservative town, in an important swing state. And that caught many officials off by surprise. For god's sake, they are already claiming that the Biden administration is treating Ukraine better with a visit and more aid than his own country with this. That's how absurd, and heavily politicized, it has become, creating a lot more fear. And many posters are echoing it.

The problem is, when there's a lack of easily accessible information, misinformation and whackadoodle conspiracy theories fill the void. I've been reading what I can, but much of it is online. I lived in central Ohio for a year, and I was in a fairly rural area where many people didn't have internet access out of the library (which I imagine isn't open there right now, if they have one). I wonder how many people in East Palestine have no internet access. It's a small community, so I'm going to guess a lot. Never underestimate the damage a town gossip mill can do.

As for the air quality issue, I've been wondering if there were any parallels with the PEPCON explosion in Henderson, NV in the '80s. The chemicals there were different, but it was in a heavily populated area.

At 2/26/23 09:25 PM, Skoops wrote:We're at least 3 administrations deep into all the factors that led up to this, starting with safety deregulation in an effort to cut down shipping times, and ending most recently with the Biden admin's busting of the railworkers' strike for sick leave and survivable shift schedules. Tell a sickly, overworked crew to rush a shipment on risk of immediate termination, they might make a mistake in the car order, making the train too back-heavy. They might not have time to do it any other way, or to warn the outgoing crew of it, if they even know about it themselves. That crew might cut it as close to those lax new braking protocols as they can to shave a few minutes off the clock. They might be reprimanded if they don't, even though there were signs of a mechanical failure reported an hour before the derailment. But so what? The shipment didn't meet the minimum requirements to be classified as a "high-hazard flammable” train, so why worry?

Of course this was the result. Add some business-minded local officials to the mix and sure enough, restoring rail operations takes priority over figuring out if there was a way to not spew enough hydrogen chloride into the mesosphere to potentially poison half a continent for god knows how long.