Ok,I cant get good shots of the Genetics Administration building but heres a prop i finished just now and its a King Air 2000 (The smugglers plane) If you guys know what a King Air is respond and say if it loked like it or not..im pretty good for a 11 year old eh?

Yeah, pretty good:), but where are the dinosaurs?

Anyways, im talking with someone who knows well about dinosaurs i think about the evolution of birds. Father is ofcourse a thecodont, but thats pretty far.
We are trying to figure out which are evolutions of Therizinosaur. It can be Seganosaur (the time living is a problem though), or Deinonychus, or Avimimus, or Struthiomimus or more... :P

I don't know much about Avimimus or Strutiomimus, but I just read about the oviraptors, and saw they had several like features to Therizinosaur, like big claws and beak (didn't Therizinosaur have beaks, or am I wrong?), so maybe they would be a good guess?

Why did they ever belive OviRaptor was an "Rgg theaf"?I think its because they made a mistake and thought it was sitting on someone elses eggs right?Struthiomimus was a Raptor of somesort....From the Triassic Period I think.I cant really understand you Feather what was it you wanted to know?

And Sauropods are Longnecks right?

And why is it that people consider Dimetrodon as a Dinosaur?!Its no!Its clearly a reptile from Periman (Paleozoic Era).Ahaha.speaking of Dimetrodons,..I saw a Jurassic Park model of A Dimetrodon.Jurassic Park consists of Dinosaurs from Jurassic,Triassic, and Cretacious. (Sorry if I spelled it wrong)Well I guess I made my point here LOL.

At 4/26/05 05:00 PM, FeatherSnake wrote: I don't know much about Avimimus or Strutiomimus, but I just read about the oviraptors, and saw they had several like features to Therizinosaur, like big claws and beak (didn't Therizinosaur have beaks, or am I wrong?), so maybe they would be a good guess?

Good one. But the Oviraptor is the father of the Therizinosaurus.

At 4/27/05 12:13 AM, Tornado_Clock wrote: Why did they ever belive OviRaptor was an "Rgg theaf"?I think its because they made a mistake and thought it was sitting on someone elses eggs right?

No, but because his shape of head, systems there, and considering what area they found him.

Struthiomimus was a Raptor of somesort....From the Triassic Period I think.I cant really understand you Feather what was it you wanted to know?

Actually he wasn't, he just reminded of an Ostrich, but it might be able to tell us about evolutionary connections..

At 4/27/05 12:14 AM, Tornado_Clock wrote: And Sauropods are Longnecks right?

Sauropodomorphs.

At 4/27/05 12:21 AM, Tornado_Clock wrote: And why is it that people consider Dimetrodon as a Dinosaur?!Its no!Its clearly a reptile from Periman (Paleozoic Era).Ahaha.speaking of Dimetrodons,..

People consider the Edaphosaurus, Sarcosuchus, Deinosuchus, Pterosaurs, Pleiosaurs, Mammal-Likes and whatever as dinosaurs, doesnt matter...

I saw a Jurassic Park model of A Dimetrodon.Jurassic Park consists of Dinosaurs from Jurassic,Triassic, and Cretacious. (Sorry if I spelled it wrong)Well I guess I made my point here LOL.

I think i saw it too, but did'nt buy it because i have a model already..

I cant really understand you Feather what was it you wanted to know?

I just wanted to see if anyone agreed that oviraptor was maybe an evolution of therizinosaur.

Good one. But the Oviraptor is the father of the Therizinosaurus.

Are you sure? I just googled it, and no oviraptorids lived before therizinosaurus, only contemporary or later. But then again, by the same logic, therizinosaurus can't be their father neither if they lived contemporarily.

At 4/27/05 05:54 AM, FeatherSnake wrote: Are you sure? I just googled it, and no oviraptorids lived before therizinosaurus, only contemporary or later. But then again, by the same logic, therizinosaurus can't be their father neither if they lived contemporarily.

Well I could'nt find any 'Avimimus evolved from Therizinosaur' in google, yet it does'nt sike him out :)

Yet it can be, because both lived in the Late Cretaceous. Oviraptor lived from 83 MYO to 73, which means it might be that he evolved somewhat in the middle of this, and some other Oviraptors stayed the same (something like: Oviraptor Piloceratops was extinct, while the Oviraptor Mongoliensis evolved...).

Was Ceratosaurus a scavenger?Or a carnivore?or both?!Im very confused..Ive heard its mostly scavenger but will hunt sometimes and ive heard he resorts to canabalism if no other food is available...I heard too that he hunts in packs.*6 packs lol*Can sum1 fill me out?

At 4/29/05 01:21 AM, Tornado_Clock wrote: Was Ceratosaurus a scavenger?Or a carnivore?or both?!Im very confused..Ive heard its mostly scavenger but will hunt sometimes

Scavenger by the Hebrew-English dictionary means a broom that cleans the streets, but i got the meaning here.
Well, the Ceratosaur's hips fossils records shows that he could launch a fast run on fast running veggisaurs, from the Hadriosaurs family. Yet, eventhough he had very strong claws and teeth- which made him an enemy to bigger animals, such as Stegosaurs and Camptosaurs, he probably ate small Sauropods or sick ones.
Even a grown Diplodocus could have be killed by Ceratosaurs, which means they hunted in packs; yet that, fossils of Ceratosaurs were only foud alone, which makes it a less based theory.

and ive heard he resorts to canabalism if no other food is available...I heard too that he hunts in packs.*6 packs lol*Can sum1 fill me out?

Well it's not so much rare. There are lots of animals that will eat eachother without any other food. Even their TASTY! son.

lol tasty son.

I thought their claws were weak...Well one reason I like Ceras is because they have four fingers and they are a mystery.

Oh and BTW try this JP3 based game....It used to work on myne but Its for windows 95 and 98 and Me.(Mellenium)I have XP now :( Its really cool and its made in a 3d modeling program and it was cool when I last played it...But you need to enable Active X controls on ur internet.And heres the link (Its a long load but totally worth it)
http://jp3.jurassicpark.com/systemreq.html

At 4/27/05 07:48 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:
Well I could'nt find any 'Avimimus evolved from Therizinosaur' in google, yet it does'nt sike him out :)

Yet it can be, because both lived in the Late Cretaceous. Oviraptor lived from 83 MYO to 73, which means it might be that he evolved somewhat in the middle of this, and some other Oviraptors stayed the same (something like: Oviraptor Piloceratops was extinct, while the Oviraptor Mongoliensis evolved...).

Yeah, you're right carmelhadinosaur:) Didn't think thoroughly about it.
Maybe a bit cheating, but I asked a palaeontolog about it, and he proposed that therizinosaurus maybe was a "dead-end".

At 4/29/05 03:11 PM, Tornado_Clock wrote: I thought their claws were weak...Well one reason I like Ceras is because they have four fingers and they are a mystery.

Hmm, he lives in the late Jurassic. That means he probably evolved from a series of dinosaurs that 4 fingers were well for them. The 4th finger's bone is very thick, so maybe he evolved later in the Createceus to a 3 fingers dino..

Oh and BTW try this JP3 based game....It used to work on myne but Its for windows 95 and 98 and Me.(Mellenium)I have XP now :( Its really cool and its made in a 3d modeling program and it was cool when I last played it...But you need to enable Active X controls on ur internet.And heres the link (Its a long load but totally worth it)
http://jp3.jurassicpark.com/systemreq.html

Well I don't have the Active X...
But really, I think you should post what you have to say each time once, not few times. Try writting everything you have to say each time on one post..

At 4/29/05 07:47 PM, FeatherSnake wrote: Yeah, you're right carmelhadinosaur:) Didn't think thoroughly about it.
Maybe a bit cheating, but I asked a palaeontolog about it, and he proposed that therizinosaurus maybe was a "dead-end".

Wow cool you know a Paleontologist! Have'nt thought about a dead-end. Ofcourse it can be, but i'd like to see evolves of it :P

I doesn't actually know a palaeontolog.:(
But the palaeontolgists at the University of Oslo have this sevice that you can ask them about anything and they'll answer:)
They even let me visit one of them at work to see how it was to be a palaeontolog once when I had a school project about palaeontology. It was really cool:)

Neat!!
Too bad in Israel you can't almost find Paleontologists. I wonder if there are...

I know.
But no palaentologs in Israel? If there are fossils to be found there, you should have at least one? Here in Norway we have about 5 new palaeontologs each year.

Btw, what's happened to the POTD and such? Starting to miss it :(

POTD: Nothosaurus!!

Nothosaurs were long-necked, long-tailed, fish-eating reptiles ranging from a few inches to 20 feet (6 m) long - they were not dinosaurs. Nothosaurs had four wide, paddle-like limbs with webbed fingers and toes. These reptiles had a long, thin head with many sharp teeth; the front teeth were longer than the back teeth. The nostrils were on the top end of the snout. They breathed air but spent most of the time in the water.

Examples of Nothosaurs include:
Nothosaurus was about 10 feet (3 m) long and had a long, thin, pointed tail with a fin on its upper portion. This tail must have been used for swimming. It had five long, webbed toes. The forelimbs were shorter than the rear limbs. It lived during the entire Triassic period. Fossils have been found in what is now Europe (Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Switzerland), North Africa, and Asia (China, Israel, and Russia).
Lariosaurus was small, about 0.75-2 feet (20-60cm) long. It had a shorter neck and stubbier toes than other Nothosaurs. This must have limited its swimming ability. It had a streamlined body and a long, pointed tail. The back legs had five webbed toes with claws; its front legs were paddle-like flippers. It lived during the middle Triassic period. Fossils from the mid-Triassic period have been found in Europe.
Ceresiosaurus was about 13 feet (4 m) long. It had longer toes than the other Nothosaurus, and more bones in each of the toes (hyperphalangy). This made the limbs very flipper-like, and Ceresiosaurus must have been a very good swimmer - almost like a plesiosaur. It lived during the mid-Triassic period. Fossils have been found in Europe.
Pistosaurus - was about 10 feet (3 m) long with a very long neck, four long, paddle-shaped flippers, a streamlined body, and many sharp, pointed teeth in long jaws. From Europe (France and Germany) during the mid-Triassic period.
WHEN NOTHOSAURS LIVED
Nothosaurs lived during the Triassic period, and went extinct during the late Triassic period. They may have evolved into the plesiosaurs.

Contemporaries of Nothosaurs during the Triassic period included the swimming marine reptiles Askeptosaurus and the ichthyosaurs Mixosaurus and Ophthalmosaurus. Primitive dinosaurs like Herrerasaurus, Eoraptor, Staurikosaurus, and Lesothosaurus were just beginning to appear at that time.

BEHAVIOR
Nothosaurs breathed air and lived on land but were able to swim in the water with their paddle-like limbs. They probably laid their eggs on land but hunted and ate in the sea.

DIET
Nothosaurs ate fish and other small swimming animals like shrimp. They fished using their sharp teeth and long snout.

LOCOMOTION
Nothosaurs could walk on four legs and also swim using their paddle-like limbs with webbed digits (fingers and toes) and long tail.

CLASSIFICATION
Nothosaurs were reptiles but not dinosaurs. They are classified as:
Vertebrata
Tetrapoda
Diapsida - these include all the reptiles (except turtles) and birds. They are distinguished by having two holes in the rear upper part of their skulls and two holes behind the eyes.
Sauropterygia (which includes both nothosaurs and plesiosaurs).
Order Nothosauria - (fish-eating marine reptiles with long necks and tails, and shortened, flipper-like forelimbs).
Family Nothosauridae (which includes Nothosaurus, Lariosaurus, Ceresiosaurus, etc.).
DISCOVERY OF FOSSILS
Nothosaurs were named by G. von Meunster in 1834. Juvenile (young) nothosaur fossils have been found in beach and cave sediment from Europe, Asia, and North and South Africa.

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At 4/30/05 01:14 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:

At 4/29/05 03:11 PM, Tornado_Clock wrote: I thought their claws were weak...Well one reason I like Ceras is because they have four fingers and they are a mystery.

Hmm, he lives in the late Jurassic. That means he probably evolved from a series of dinosaurs that 4 fingers were well for them. The 4th finger's bone is very thick, so maybe he evolved later in the Createceus to a 3 fingers dino..

Oh and BTW try this JP3 based game....It used to work on myne but Its for windows 95 and 98 and Me.(Mellenium)I have XP now :( Its really cool and its made in a 3d modeling program and it was cool when I last played it...But you need to enable Active X controls on ur internet.And heres the link (Its a long load but totally worth it)
http://jp3.jurassicpark.com/systemreq.html

Well I don't have the Active X...
But really, I think you should post what you have to say each time once, not few times. Try writting everything you have to say each time on one post..

At 4/29/05 07:47 PM, FeatherSnake wrote: Yeah, you're right carmelhadinosaur:) Didn't think thoroughly about it.
Maybe a bit cheating, but I asked a palaeontolog about it, and he proposed that therizinosaurus maybe was a "dead-end".

Wow cool you know a Paleontologist! Have'nt thought about a dead-end. Ofcourse it can be, but i'd like to see evolves of it :P

LOL thanks Caramel ill keep that in mind :) did you know
that
Dr. Jack Horner recently announced his findings on the bony coverings that may have protected some dinosaurs' heads. By studying fossilized skulls, Dr. Horner was able to determine where blood vessels once were and where extra bony coverings might have been. Dr. Horner has concluded that some dinosaurs had a hard surface on parts of their heads. This surface was made of a material called keratin, the same material that makes up our fingernails. He suspects that dinosaurs such as Allosaurus had an area from just above its nose to the top of its head covered with a thick layer of keratin. This would have included the small horns this dinosaur had above its eyes.

Dr. Horner also believes that this feature was on other dinosaurs such as Triceratops. He showed that other parts of the head of Triceratops, in addition to the horns, were covered with keratin. Scientists have known for many years that the claws and horns of dinosaurs were made from keratin, but Dr. Horner's study is one of the first to factor in the patterns of blood vessels on other parts of the skull and show how they could indicate other areas where keratin grew. This hard surface might have been an advantage for dinosaurs when they were fighting or defending themselves. Important research such as this helps us to understand more about how dinosaurs looked and behaved

Hahah ok the truth is that I didn't know :D

Umm the name Jack Horner was really familliar to me, but I wasn't sure from where..
Well, that was, because he's one of the most well known Paleontologists, and he helped Jurassic Park. I knew about JP, and I wrote it on a page once, but I probably lost it...

Well I see John Horner in a book I have, and found it's the same one, obviesly, on a site.

From there I see that he, David Gillet, Sanker Chatragi, James Jenson, Robert Long, John Ostrom and many others (sorry about spelling, it's a translation from Hebrew) found and discovered stuff about Deninonychus, full nesting areas of Hadrosaueus, SEISMOSAURUS and more..
Isn't it just cool that in the US over 110 different types of dinosaurs were discovered? That was written in on 1995!

Im always updated on the latest news. :D Check this out Special cameras from NASA satellites have allowed the space agency to produce an image of the crater that was created when a space object (either an asteroid or comet) struck the Earth 65 million years ago. The crater is about 125 miles (200 km) in diameter. About half of it is in the Gulf of Mexico and the part visible from space is on the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico. In the NASA photo, ripples that form the crater can be seen in the upper left.

The first theory of a space object striking the Earth and contributing to the end of the dinosaurs emerged in the 1970's. Paleontologist Dr. Dale Russell was one of the first scientists to propose this idea. Many other scientists didn't accept this concept until the 1980's when geologist Walter Alvarez discovered evidence of a space object striking the Earth at the end of the Cretaceous. Estimated at between 6 to 12 miles in diameter, the space object would have created an explosion capable of killing much of the life on Earth.

More recent research, while not disputing the fact that a space object hit the Earth with great force 65 million years ago, is concluding that dinosaurs were already in rapid decline at that time. This decline could have been from disease, climate change, or something yet to be discovered. The comet or asteroid may have delivered the final blow to an already nearly extinct family of animals.

At 4/30/05 03:09 PM, carmelhadinosaur wrote: POTD: Nothosaurus!!

There it is, just as I like it:)

Oh, and Tornado_Clock, I think I've read an article about why the dinosaurs was extinct somewhere, written by Norway's only dinosaur hunter. I don't remember all, but I remember the meteor wasn'tthe only reasons as you said. Can see if I find it and then I'll post a translated summary if anyone's interested.

About the extinction, I also believe that the meteor was something like a final extinction, but only for that area, which is ofcourse huge hehe...

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Im gonna order models of: Scipionyx, Amargasaurus, Ammonite, Belemnite, Trilobite, Medusa (Jellyfish), Mastodonsaurus, Maiasaura, Oviraptor, Ankylosaurus and a Baryonyx Claw :)

At 5/4/05 02:52 PM, carmelhadinosaur wrote: About the extinction, I also believe that the meteor was something like a final extinction, but only for that area, which is ofcourse huge hehe...

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Im gonna order models of: Scipionyx, Amargasaurus, Ammonite, Belemnite, Trilobite, Medusa (Jellyfish), Mastodonsaurus, Maiasaura, Oviraptor, Ankylosaurus and a Baryonyx Claw :)

A real 1?!

Well I didn't really asked :o
It costs 35$, but I dunno if it's real, I mean, it can be.. When I was at his 'museum' (where he has everything that he sells - Al Prandi, www.twoguysfossils.com) he showed lots of awesome awesome awesome stuff, so hopefully this is real also :)

Hey Caramel,I just saw ur Flash its under judgement! :D I voted 5!

At 5/7/05 02:47 PM, Tornado_Clock wrote: Hey Caramel,I just saw ur Flash its under judgement! :D I voted 5!

Hahaha! Thanks a bunch! :D

At 5/7/05 03:24 PM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:

At 5/7/05 02:47 PM, Tornado_Clock wrote: Hey Caramel,I just saw ur Flash its under judgement! :D I voted 5!

Hahaha! Thanks a bunch! :D

LOL,No need to thank me,it was really awsome!

At 5/3/05 12:29 AM, Tornado_Clock wrote: Im always updated on the latest news. :D Check this out Special cameras from NASA satellites have allowed the space agency to produce an image of the crater that was created when a space object (either an asteroid or comet) struck the Earth 65 million years ago. The crater is about 125 miles (200 km) in diameter. About half of it is in the Gulf of Mexico and the part visible from space is on the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico. In the NASA photo, ripples that form the crater can be seen in the upper left.

yea, I've seen that image, and when put together with deep soil samples from vious places from around the globe it holds credit. But nobody can guerentee that the evidence.

More recent research, while not disputing the fact that a space object hit the Earth with great force 65 million years ago, is concluding that dinosaurs were already in rapid decline at that time. This decline could have been from disease, climate change, or something yet to be discovered. The comet or asteroid may have delivered the final blow to an already nearly extinct family of animals.

Very Intesting, many species have overpopulated areas untill a "critical mass" is reach and starvation and/or disease begins to lessen the strain.

At 5/7/05 07:29 PM, Tornado_Clock wrote: LOL,No need to thank me,it was really awsome!

Coolol, thanks for saying THAT than! :D

At 5/9/05 01:04 AM, bila wrote: yea, I've seen that image, and when put together with deep soil samples from vious places from around the globe it holds credit. But nobody can guerentee that the evidence.

Wow you're stopping by here bila? Kool!
Well, i'm interested to know how you got to that post exactly..
Anyway, I believe it, I mean, yeah - there was the meteor that caused an extinction of tons. Yet, they were in each case (prehistoric reptiles) in a time where mammals and mammal-likes got bigger and stronger next to the reptiles. So it would have only took bit longer without the meteor..

Very Intesting, many species have overpopulated areas untill a "critical mass" is reach and starvation and/or disease begins to lessen the strain.

Ooh yes, deases too, can be a way for some reptiles to die from.