At 10/15/09 11:35 PM, All-Hallows wrote: I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted. The reason being that I lurk around a lot and I am not particularly active. I don't see how you can get discovered if you don't know any other artists on the portal. If you aren't buddies with people already up there, then there is little to no chance to get scouted.

I agree with this.
I think I could be scouted to be honest, my art isn't outstanding, but I think it's good, and I was scouted before, now it's impossible to be seen and nobody ever wants to risk losing their scout by scouting someone, so I feel like I'll never get scouted.. :(

At 10/15/09 11:35 PM, All-Hallows wrote: I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted.

A. You didnt have 4 submissions till recently
B. you forgot to tag your submissions as "public" so that they would be included in the art portal. Public images are the only ones that count towards the 4 you need to be scouted. I marked them public for you, with the hopes that I would scout you, but someone beat me to it.

I seem to have gotten unscouted again, and it also seems a limit for unscouted submissions has also been put in place, therefore kind of making it less possible for me to get people's attention.

So, in order to know how many of my works I need to remove before I can upload new ones, I need to know how many I'm actually supposed to upload.

What's the submission limit for unscouted artists?

At 10/16/09 02:15 AM, ornery wrote:

At 10/15/09 11:35 PM, All-Hallows wrote: I disagree that if you just put up some art, someone will eventually see it. I have had submissions up for three months and still have not been scouted.

A. You didnt have 4 submissions till recently
B. you forgot to tag your submissions as "public" so that they would be included in the art portal. Public images are the only ones that count towards the 4 you need to be scouted. I marked them public for you, with the hopes that I would scout you, but someone beat me to it.

A) I didn't have a fourth until recently, but the other three have been up for a considerable time.
B) I thought I did, I don't know how I missed that. If it was a mistake on my part then I apologize.

At 10/16/09 05:21 AM, Zanroth wrote: I seem to have gotten unscouted again, and it also seems a limit for unscouted submissions has also been put in place, therefore kind of making it less possible for me to get people's attention.

With the new system in place getting unscouted is now almost entirely that individual users fualt. I cant stress this enough, DONT ACCEPT SCOUT REQUESTS FROM USERS WHO YOU DONT THINK ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO STAY SCOUTED. Follow the tree up a few ways and see where a weak branch might be to be safe. I'm NOT suggesting that you only accept scouts from mods or one branch down from a mod, but see where the tree leads, if it has a strong branches you should be safe (unless of course your work is bad as well.)

So, in order to know how many of my works I need to remove before I can upload new ones, I need to know how many I'm actually supposed to upload.

If i remeber correctly an unscouted user can have 20 submissions. I wouldnt recommend deleting any of yours unless you really dont like them, just sit still and be patient, someone will pick you up soon enough.

Ok, here's a quick one, it's pretty easy: When you go into the Art Portal, and see the snippet of a picture, does the author choose which section of the picture you see? I know it's kind of hard to understand what I'm saying this way, I'll use an example. Let's say someone uploads a picture of Hank from Madness and it gets into the Art Portal. For the mini- preview image, let's say the zoomed in preview is of the eye. Does the author choose this, or is it random?

At 10/16/09 02:57 PM, LDAF wrote: Ok, here's a quick one

Have you tried uploading any art yet? As soon as you select the file to upload it prompts you to pick what part of the piece you want to be viewed as your preview image. It's very easy to understand and do.

So yes, you can choose what people see as the preview.

If you want to continue your enquiry, post it in the Art Portal Q&A thread in the WiHt forum, along with a link to your friend's NG submissions if you want a better answer.

here you go ...
http://saint-max.newgrounds.com

let's hope I get no more flamings!

I know that I'm not good enough for the art portal yet, but I have a suggestion.
Could you implement a feature so that scouting people can ... eh.. anti-scout? people.
Basically, through a press of a button simply inform the artist that he just isn't good enough?

That way, you don't have to wonder if you are just not scouted yet, or won't be scouted at all.

At 11/5/09 04:14 PM, Snakex86 wrote: let's hope I get no more flamings!

...unless people saw your original question ...which was in another thread, in another forum... they're not going to know what you're talking about.

Why hasn't 'your friend' been scouted? It could be several reasons. He list his website as a game site. He has no email or contact info. He only has 4 pieces of art... conveniently the exact required amount necessary for scouting, no news posts ...all red flags that scream 'this stuff is stolen'.

Tell him to submit more ...add contact info ...add links to his art work on his own site (or places like DA or CA). Tell him to make a news post. There's absolutely nothing about his profile that's personalized. People need to know that there's an actual ...legitimate... person behind the art, otherwise they'll assume it some lame spammer and he'll never get scouted.

At 11/5/09 07:47 PM, the-one-u-dont-see wrote: I know that I'm not good enough for the art portal yet, but I have a suggestion.
Could you implement a feature so that scouting people can ... eh.. anti-scout? people.
Basically, through a press of a button simply inform the artist that he just isn't good enough?

That way, you don't have to wonder if you are just not scouted yet, or won't be scouted at all.

That would be kind of pointless. Everyone has different tastes. Just because one person thinks someone's stuff isn't good enough doesn't mean the next 4 people aren't going to love it. Plus people typically improve over time ...just because someone posts something that's not "portal worthy" today, doesn't mean they won't post something spectacular a month from now. An 'anti-scout button' would just discourage people from even trying to get better ... and no one wants that!!

Every and anyone can be 'good enough.' Post in the art forum... ask for tips and critiques ...and just keep at it! You'll get there! ;)

Thanks ahead of time.

Question?
?) I moved a piece from sketch to public. I mention this because I think there's a bug. When I sort by score it doesn't show up. This happens on both my user page and in the art portal proper. Piece in question is Violent Encounter. If you follow those links and then change the sort to 'score' you'll see my piece disappear. I know this could be fixed by resubmitting, but it's a bug.

Suggestions
1) You need a link to this topic in the Help/FAQ. Or at least refer to finding it in Where is/How to?. It may seem obvious now, but I was looking for this in the art forum. I know, I know but it made sense to me.

2) A threadless style critique system. What am I talking about? Like this. Bitch to implement? But I think it fosters a good atmosphere. It might even encourage artists to make this their site of choice.

3) If not then when it moves from sketch to public it's creation date should be reset. No one will see it if it starts off buried back 4 days. Again fixed by resubmitting, but...

4) Art Favorites should be viewed as icons instead of as a list on your user page. I don't know what my favorites are called this kind of defeats the purpose.

5) I read through this topic and I know it's already been said, but I'd like to second it. You should be able to see who favorites you.

Again a lot to get through thanks.

At 11/13/09 03:11 AM, Occluded wrote: Suggestions
1) You need a link to this topic in the Help/FAQ. Or at least refer to finding it in Where is/How to?. It may seem obvious now, but I was looking for this in the art forum. I know, I know but it made sense to me.

Or if not in the FAQ then in the 'New to Art? Read this first' header topic in the Art Forum.

At 11/13/09 03:11 AM, Occluded wrote: Thanks ahead of time.

Question?
?) I moved a piece from sketch to public. I mention this because I think there's a bug. When I sort by score it doesn't show up.

Its because it dosent have enough votes yet. I dont know the exact number that piece needs, but its somewhere around 15 votes I think, might be more. Once it gets that many votes it will show up under score.

Suggestions
1) You need a link to this topic in the Help/FAQ. Or at least refer to finding it in Where is/How to?

We need a link to alot of topics and updates in the FAQ, currently the staff is busy with other things, hopefully someday it will happen though.

2) A threadless style critique system. What am I talking about? Like this. Bitch to implement? But I think it fosters a good atmosphere. It might even encourage artists to make this their site of choice.

What? I dont quite get whats different about that over reviews. Maybe Im not noticing exactly whats going on there.

3) If not then when it moves from sketch to public it's creation date should be reset. No one will see it if it starts off buried back 4 days. Again fixed by resubmitting, but...

Too easy to abuse, people would keep rechecking stuff for public to reset the date to get it up to the front.

4) Art Favorites should be viewed as icons instead of as a list on your user page. I don't know what my favorites are called this kind of defeats the purpose.

This absolutely, but again staff is busy, it may be implemented in the future.

5) I read through this topic and I know it's already been said, but I'd like to second it. You should be able to see who favorites you.

In due time, in due time.

At 11/13/09 09:48 PM, ornery wrote: Its because it dosent have enough votes yet. I dont know the exact number that piece needs, but its somewhere around 15 votes I think, might be more. Once it gets that many votes it will show up under score.

Ahhhhh. Cool. Thanks. Now I feel dumb. I already PMed Rob.

We need a link to alot of topics and updates in the FAQ, currently the staff is busy with other things, hopefully someday it will happen though.

Other things? Is that a euphemism? ;)

What? I dont quite get whats different about that over reviews. Maybe Im not noticing exactly whats going on there.

Well perhaps if I had explained it better. Why can't you just read my mind.

First of all the critique area is hidden to everyone but other artists in critique too. This encourages everyone to critique. So, if you want to get people to give you a critique you're obligated to critique their work first. Critiques also show up on the user page which was how I linked to this one.

Tangent- Maybe you could implement a critique debit/credit system. You can't submit a new piece for critique until you've given the required number of critiques. But I digress.

If you look at the page I linked to you'll see (above the design) arrows next to v1 v2 v3. They refer to versions of the design. If you click on the v1 title then the first version of the design will appear along with the critiques for that version. Along with a rating system that lets other artists indicate how finished they think this piece is. You can see growth, and the process and allows for a very insightful comments. For me it was the most educational, and encouraging creative experience I've had online.

Too easy to abuse, people would keep rechecking stuff for public to reset the date to get it up to the front.

I guess I thought checking that box was a one time deal. Hadn't even thought to try doing it again. This kind of abuse could be cut off with a whistle option. As it stands it discourages me from submitting anything as a sketch. I know it's kind of a dick move but I'm thinking about deleting and resubmitting Violent Encounter. From my perspective I feel a bit cheated out of reviews and votes as it started off buried.

This absolutely, but again staff is busy, it may be implemented in the future.

You're building WMDs over there aren't you?

Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to answer. I appreciate it.

Hey I just joined about a month ago so I'm still unfamiliar with half of the rules but I want to add art to Newgrounds but dont know whether I'm good enough. I uploaded one of my many works could someone check it and tell me if I should upload 3 more and hopefully get scouted. Because I don't want to upload my work if it sucks.

At 11/15/09 12:05 AM, GMoose14 wrote: Hey I just joined about a month ago...

I wouldn't scout you. That doesn't mean you suck. I like the textures you got going on. I think your anatomy needs some work. He has kinda stumpy legs. You can upload your art into the Art forum there is an official critique thread. I've just asked someone to bump up. I'll PM you with it when it comes up. Or you could start your own art thread in the art forum, and ask for critiques. Don't expect a lot. If you post in there be humble. Don't make demands. Don't threaten. Don't get defensive. And don't throw a pity party. People there are accepting as long as you play nice. They can also be vicious.

I'd go to the library or a book store and start reading up on technique. Look at pictures and try to copy them without tracing. Start thinking about your subjects inhabiting a space instead of just presenting them facing full front toward you.

At 11/14/09 02:45 AM, Occluded wrote: Critique Section stuff

Ah so its more critique based than review based, although with our system you get both, however it would be interesting to have some system where you spesifically line works up for critique. And a reward system would be the only way to get people to do so, like your quota system, you have to critique X pieces in order to submit a piece, however keep in mind this is NG, try as it might its not an art site, and the chances of getting the same quality critiques will be significantly less, and even less if there is some red tape to jump through because NG users love to do the minimal amount of work required to get through that tape. The only true advantage I see in that really isnt in that system at all but more can be implemented in a different one, and thats the version stuff. It would be incredibly helpful if we could submit W.I.P or multiple versions of one image on one page that we could scroll through, The final one would be art portal viewable, but the others would accompany it instead of people submitting 5 different versions of one pic and makeing them all clog the portal or their user page.

Box Rechecking

yeah you'd be surprised how many people recheck stuff that has been unchecked. It wouldn't be fair to make it a one time deal either, because some artists (myself included) are indecisive and don't know what they want as public and change their minds frequently for various legitimate reasons. As for resubmitting a piece just to get reviews, major abusive, its no different than resubmitting blammed flash really, especially if it hasn't changed at all in the new submit. Instead of risking a spanking try submitting more work, when people see stuff of yours they like they will be more likely to check your other stuff and give it reviews.

At 11/15/09 12:05 AM, GMoose14 wrote: Hey I just joined about a month ago

Currently based on that piece, no you arent, however I would recommend submiting more work anyway, and as you get better in the future submit that work and feel free to delete your not as good stuff.

At 11/15/09 12:32 PM, ornery wrote: critique system

Yeah I know it's not an art site. That's me just projecting my desires. I think it would be cool though. And I think this site has the capability to become a major art portal. I think that a critique system would be a major draw. Well it would be for me, but then again I'm already here so...

Box Rechecking

I get it now that you've said it. It just never crossed my mind to toggle that.

I'm not going to resubmit. I will take your advice and work on something better. It's what I should be doing anyway.

Thanks.

GMoose14

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[art101] Critiquing Thread

Okay it's about that typography question for the art portal

Typography is playing around with letters to get a final image (sending a message with just one or two words)
and make sure the harmony of the letters interacts with each other

like in this example I made once

is this allowed?

At 11/24/09 04:44 PM, PHL-Himself wrote: Typography is playing around with letters to get a final image (sending a message with just one or two words)
is this allowed?

That pic's totally fine yeah. You've used a standard font, but organised them in a careful, interesting, original and (oh yes) quality way.

At 11/24/09 06:09 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: That pic's totally fine yeah. You've used a standard font, but organised them in a careful, interesting, original and (oh yes) quality way.

thanks

well anyways I submitted it, I hope some might appreciate it and I hope the mods don't see it as some sort of spam, cause I'm really fond of typography

I'm trying to scout someone and all I'm getting is a blank white page with the following address:

http://www.newgrounds.com/art/member/sco ut

You know, I might have already tried to scout her. Hmmm. Well, thanks. It would be nice to get a message letting you know that's the case.

Alright My thread was locked in the Art Forums because Im not allowed to post art related discussions there, instead I was directed to post here, because I want to know everyones opinions on the matter. So I'm posting here.

So...here goes.

As an artist of many mediums I have wondered how easy is it for users in Newgrounds to twist the 'copyright' act so they can get quick views and quick high fives. Now before you read on, this is not a rant about how it effects me, I am not in the art portal, it's more of an important nip that has occured in the art portal, but could grow larger in time.

As of recent I have seen many new images pop into NG's art portal, and some are seriously controversial in crossing that line of stolen resources. Things like Traced Artwork, there are repeated obvious traced artwork pieces here. Where somebody puts it under in photoshop and traces it, and uses the droppler tool to pick up colours. The chances may be, its not even traced, the possibility could be its just smudged, filtered. or both. Some other people are just taking photos and tracing them, then filling them in with a gradient using flash or illustrator.

In the 3D sections its in some ways a step worse, I'm seeing people cut photographs, stick them together, and then composit them all on one, then adding an image filter over it and claiming it's their own. Most of us that have been doing this for ages can easily spot something which perspectively doesn't match up. However the final thing that has really tipped me a bit more so than the others is now the submission of Poser Models has occurred. Now I dont know how harsh the copyright rules are, but these resource models are basically Premade Characters, which are modelled, textured and rigged. All you do is have to pose them and render it out. Is it really your work if all you do is hit a render key and stick a background quickly in it? What talent does this really show? Do these artists deserve the 5's and 10's they recieve because reviewers dont understand the somewhat cheaty methods they have used to create their art piece.

Now I have no beef with the people that do this, as sometimes to trace or to use these resources are helpful in learning. But I ask the people of NG, how much bend is there before the rules are foreseen as broken, and how fair is this on everyone else who spends countless hours working on that single piece? If the image is a controversial piece, should the artist provide a vertical print-screen breakdown of how they started, taking screenshots to illustrate that it is a genuine piece of art and the work and craftsmanship is there to prove their talent?

At 11/30/09 07:02 PM, PeterSatera wrote: As an artist of many mediums I have wondered how easy is it for users in Newgrounds to twist the 'copyright' act so they can get quick views and quick high fives.

if you feel a piece breaks some kind of rule, whether it be an NG one or a fundamental copyright one flag it or PM an art mod about the piece.

Tracing and photoshopping

As of now traced pics are kicked to user page, they are not allowed in the art portal itself, UNLESS some extra aspect was added making it more than a straight up trace. Photoshop filtering or smuding a pic counts as photography and is not allowed and will be deleted. Again if you see pieces you feel fall under this category just PM an art mod or flag the piece, if it really does break the rule it will be removed.

In the 3D sections...

Photo collages need to be exceedingly well done and altered in order to be allowed. Photoshops of photographs are not allowed if all they did was mash a few appropriated images together. As for using premades or 3d models, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE flag the piece or let us art mods know about it if you know they made it using a premade model or tutorial, 3-D art is always a grey area for the art mods because its difficult to decide when a piece was actually made by the user, or when it was mearly made by just the program. So if you or anyone else knows of pieces that were made using premade models or image generators flag them with the right details so we can handle them.

If the image is a controversial piece, should the artist provide a vertical print-screen breakdown of how they started, taking screenshots to illustrate that it is a genuine piece of art and the work and craftsmanship is there to prove their talent?

Its always a good idea to document your work in case its honesty comes into question. For the most part rule breaking stuff gets delt with, but I cant stress it enough, if you see pieces that you feel break any rule for any reason flag it so its brought to the attention of the mods.

Alright,NG seems to be quite harsh when it comes to this, and thankfully too! So I will take the situation somewhat more seriously, and report the pieces I believe/ know break the rules, even if it is slightly.

Thanks for your input.

y doesnt ng has art portal reviews that can we see if the artist respond back like flashes n music

At 12/8/09 04:41 PM, ZaneZansorrow wrote: y doesnt ng has art portal reviews that can we see if the artist respond back like flashes n music

NG staff haven't got round to adding it, yet.
Wait patiently :p

Quick random question:

Do snowmen count as sculptures?

At 12/18/09 04:45 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote: Quick random question:

Do snowmen count as sculptures?

You can post images of jack-o-lanterns, so snow sculptures are acceptable. However they need to be more than just your basic run of the mill snowman to remain in the art portal, otherwise they will just get kicked to user page. So photograph them and make them creatively. A straight on blah shot of your coal eye carrot nose nose man is boring and will be booted to userpage or deleted outright if its really bad.