At 12/20/07 12:31 AM, CaptainBob wrote:

At 12/19/07 10:19 PM, ReconRebel wrote: My mistake. I thought CaptainBob's voting power was less than mine. Sue me for the double post. :P

noob ;)

You are not far away from being leveled up to EGSC, once you get 30000 total b/p points, your vp should be back to the top 3 again.

At 12/19/07 09:56 AM, YoinK wrote:
Yea.. this is the 2nd time reaching 14.00 .... but first one to reach it after the redesign.
15.00 VP is definitely possible with the new system. It's all just a matter of time.

Unless they make it rescale when pimp hits level 60, which there's a lot of speculation of. In which case, I'll be pretty enraged.

At 12/21/07 01:14 AM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/19/07 09:56 AM, YoinK wrote: Yea.. this is the 2nd time reaching 14.00 .... but first one to reach it after the redesign.
15.00 VP is definitely possible with the new system. It's all just a matter of time.

Unless they make it rescale when pimp hits level 60, which there's a lot of speculation of. In which case, I'll be pretty enraged.

Why would they make it rescale when Pimp hits level 60? It defies logic. Putting the experience requirements and therefore the Voting Power back on the sliding scale seems like it might still be a possibility, but given that the only people who need to know about this at the moment (for the next 2 years :P) are the Admins, we can merely speculate.

I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote: Why would they make it rescale when Pimp hits level 60? It defies logic. Putting the experience requirements and therefore the Voting Power back on the sliding scale seems like it might still be a possibility, but given that the only people who need to know about this at the moment (for the next 2 years :P) are the Admins, we can merely speculate.

I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

I was curious about how things would work when Pimp reached level 60... perhaps this PM i got back from Tom can better answer your question

At 11/19/07 4:01 PM, TomFulp wrote: The way the new system works is, the gap widens between each level as you go up - but it's a static algorithm, so it doesn't change based on what levels other users are on... It just takes longer to advance from one level to the next.

Under the new system, people will be able to keep leveling up beyond level 60 - their level will show, but currently they wills till have the level 60 icon (this could change)... The gap becomes so wide at this point, that advancing additional levels will start to be a VERY VERY slow process... But the opportunity is there for people who keep depositing. :)

-Tom

...the thing is, it's still kinda a mystery :/ Guess we're gonna have to wait and see >_<

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote:

Why would they make it rescale when Pimp hits level 60? It defies logic.

You're damn right it does, but so does making members get banned from submitting Flash if they get 2 entries blammed within 30 days, and so did it defy logic when they put the scaled system in the first time they did it. So I dunno.

Putting the experience requirements and therefore the Voting Power back on the sliding scale seems like it might still be a possibility, but given that the only people who need to know about this at the moment (for the next 2 years :P) are the Admins, we can merely speculate.

I know, I just strongly hope they do not.

At 12/21/07 12:21 PM, BlueHippo wrote:

I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

I was curious about how things would work when Pimp reached level 60... perhaps this PM i got back from Tom can better answer your question

At 11/19/07 4:01 PM, TomFulp wrote:

Blah

What he's trying to say is that NG hasn't decided what should happen, but they've got 2-3 years to think of that. If we leave them to get on with the other aspects of running the site (Like making the last Secret :P) they will deal with this issue when it becomes more pressing.

At 12/22/07 04:25 PM, JerkClock wrote: You're damn right it does, but so does making members get banned from submitting Flash if they get 2 entries blammed within 30 days, and so did it defy logic when they put the scaled system in the first time they did it. So I dunno.

That was put in place to stop people from spamming submissions in order to use alternate accounts to get the Blam Points. Personally, I think it should be 2 entries blammed in a fortnight for a 5-day ban. Something like that would be effective, but not over the top, as you can still make worthwhile progress in a flash in 14 days.

At 12/22/07 05:18 PM, Coop83 wrote:
What he's trying to say is that NG hasn't decided what should happen, but they've got 2-3 years to think of that. If we leave them to get on with the other aspects of running the site (Like making the last Secret :P) they will deal with this issue when it becomes more pressing.

Dunnoit sounded pretty clear cut to me, he said there's levels past 60, just that they haven't decided if they should get their own icons yet.

That was put in place to stop people from spamming submissions in order to use alternate accounts to get the Blam Points.

And it didn't work, it hurt the users who want to contribute to NG.

Personally, I think it should be 2 entries blammed in a fortnight for a 5-day ban. Something like that would be effective, but not over the top, as you can still make worthwhile progress in a flash in 14 days.

I think it should be never.

At 12/22/07 07:21 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/22/07 05:18 PM, Coop83 wrote: That was put in place to stop people from spamming submissions in order to use alternate accounts to get the Blam Points.

And it didn't work, it hurt the users who want to contribute to NG.

What basis makes you say that it doesn't work? Since that was implemented, I've noticed a marked improvement in the number of Saves per day I'm getting and a noticable decline in my Blams per day. My voting habits have not changed, yet this change has to be down to something. Perhaps it was the fact that we're seeing less crap and more quality entries through the portal, due to this new rule?

I think it should be never.

Well, we're all entitled to an opinion.

At 12/23/07 04:48 AM, Coop83 wrote:
What basis makes you say that it doesn't work?

The fact that spammers found a way around it.

Since that was implemented, I've noticed a marked improvement in the number of Saves per day I'm getting and a noticable decline in my Blams per day. My voting habits have not changed, yet this change has to be down to something. Perhaps it was the fact that we're seeing less crap and more quality entries through the portal, due to this new rule?

That's not because of its implementation its because users who used to mass 0 vote everything have been getting reset(in both B/P and XP) and those of us who are biased toward protecting Flash have accumulated more voting power with time.

At 12/23/07 07:21 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/23/07 04:48 AM, Coop83 wrote:
What basis makes you say that it doesn't work?

The fact that spammers found a way around it.

And because spammers found a way around it it should be abandoned? I don't think that this is the way to go.

That's not because of its implementation its because users who used to mass 0 vote everything have been getting reset(in both B/P and XP) and those of us who are biased toward protecting Flash have accumulated more voting power with time.

Well, do you have an example of any user that had this happen to him? I know the newspost Tom made a few years ago, but I doubt that any user ever got his Exp and B/P reset (of course, if you have proof, the doubt will be gone ;) ).

At 12/23/07 07:21 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/23/07 04:48 AM, Coop83 wrote: What basis makes you say that it doesn't work?

The fact that spammers found a way around it.

That is why there is always evil in the world. We cannot ask spammers to stop spamming, but we can make sure that we do not assist them for those useless protection points.

At 12/23/07 07:31 PM, Haggard wrote:

And because spammers found a way around it it should be abandoned?

YES, that's exactly the course of action that should be taken. It was supposed to weed them out, but didn't do a fuckin thing to them and only hurt the poor constructive user who only want to contribute, that an extremely good reason to throw it the fuck out.

Well, do you have an example of any user that had this happen to him?

I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

At 12/23/07 08:37 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/23/07 07:31 PM, Haggard wrote: And because spammers found a way around it it should be abandoned?

YES, that's exactly the course of action that should be taken. It was supposed to weed them out, but didn't do a fuckin thing to them and only hurt the poor constructive user who only want to contribute, that an extremely good reason to throw it the fuck out.

To exaggerate that thought a bit: Why not abandon the laws? People have always found a way around it (or do it anyways, even though there's a law against serveral actions), so why not just burn that fucking thing?

I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

Oh yeah, right... silly me! *smites his forehead*

At 12/26/07 01:17 PM, shadowchaotailsevil3 wrote: my max vote power is 6.56

Im making my way up there somehow.

You can always dream! But I do hope to see you around in a few years. P.S: When is the next update? I want to see if I am still in the top 100, lol!

At 12/23/07 07:21 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/23/07 04:48 AM, Coop83 wrote:
What basis makes you say that it doesn't work?

The fact that spammers found a way around it.

I'm overruling this by the example that regular users are willing to sit down and wait for their ban to expire, before resubmitting.

That's not because of its implementation its because users who used to mass 0 vote everything have been getting reset(in both B/P and XP) and those of us who are biased toward protecting Flash have accumulated more voting power with time.

No, I'm saying that my voting habits haven't changed, but I have genuinely seen an increase in the number of protectable submissions of late.

At 12/23/07 07:56 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: That is why there is always evil in the world. We cannot ask spammers to stop spamming, but we can make sure that we do not assist them for those useless protection points.

Exactly, we need to take on each flash as it comes through the portal and judge it adequately on its own merrits and flaws, rather than those of the author, no matter who they are, or how many submissions of theirs have already passed judgement.

At 12/23/07 08:37 PM, JerkClock wrote: YES, that's exactly the course of action that should be taken. It was supposed to weed them out, but didn't do a fuckin thing to them and only hurt the poor constructive user who only want to contribute, that an extremely good reason to throw it the fuck out.

And I will bet you that if this measure is removed, the system will be overrun with crap submissions, as before. I'm suggesting that we have made an advance and that you have buried your head in the sand over this, now that you have your opinion

Well, do you have an example of any user that had this happen to him?

I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

At 12/26/07 01:17 PM, shadowchaotailsevil3 wrote: my max vote power is 6.56

Im making my way up there somehow.

Perserverance in spades and a reasonably quick ascention to Supreme Commander would certainly help you. Without those, you will not make the list.

At 12/26/07 12:57 PM, Haggard wrote:

To exaggerate that thought a bit: Why not abandon the laws? People have always found a way around it (or do it anyways, even though there's a law against serveral actions), so why not just burn that fucking thing?

"Exaggerate" is key. You're comparing a mountain to a molehill. Scaling back laws that do not work isn't the same as invoking anarchy.

Coop wrote:
I'm overruling this by the example that regular users are willing to sit down and wait for their ban to expire, before resubmitting.

Yes, regular users, and that is the crux of the problem. It doesn't hurt the spammers, it hurts the users who want to contribute, as I've been saying all along.

No, I'm saying that my voting habits haven't changed, but I have genuinely seen an increase in the number of protectable submissions of late.

Didn't say they didn't, I said those who were biased towards blamming have been getting punished and those of us biased towards protecting have more voting power due to not being punished, didn't say anything about your voting habits.

And I will bet you that if this measure is removed, the system will be overrun with crap submissions

Even if that's true, so what? More blam points, what's wrong with that?

I'm suggesting that we have made an advance and that you have buried your head in the sand over this, now that you have your opinion

Unsubstantiated and erroneous presupposition.

At 12/30/07 12:10 AM, JerkClock wrote:

Coop wrote:
I'm overruling this by the example that regular users are willing to sit down and wait for their ban to expire, before resubmitting.

Yes, regular users, and that is the crux of the problem. It doesn't hurt the spammers, it hurts the users who want to contribute, as I've been saying all along.

So regular users don't contribute to the site? I'm aware that this method may drive away some newer users, but my defence of this method is clearly laid out below.

And I will bet you that if this measure is removed, the system will be overrun with crap submissions

Even if that's true, so what? More blam points, what's wrong with that?

Tom said that he did that to speed up the portal. Less crap submissions coming in takes up less bandwidth. Pointing out to users politely, yet firmly, that their submission sucks balls and that they should work on it is the right way to go. Maybe he should have taken it a step further and said "You voted 0 on this flash, so leave a decent review, or no blam point for you, stat whore."

It appears to be the widely held belief of the users discussing here (i.e. everyone except you) that the system works. This also appears to be the case in the Administrators of the site. Rather than saying that this system is no longer viable and should just be removed, propose a new direction to move. That way, we can move the site forward and truly learn the meaning of the word evolution.

At 12/30/07 04:31 AM, Coop83 wrote:
So regular users don't contribute to the site?

Where did I say that?

Tom said that he did that to speed up the portal.

It was Wade Fulp who did and not Tom, your statement does not hold. In fact, Tom has been spotted stating the opposite:

http://web.archive.org/web/2002122117380 4/www.newgrounds.com/portal/readreview.p hp3?user_id=1

I just found it very ironic. :)

Our bandwidth problems aren't primarily the result of crappy Portal movies.

So your bandwidth argument fails.

It appears to be the widely held belief of the users discussing here (i.e. everyone except you) that the system works.

Argumentum Ad Populum. Everyone in the world can believe a lie if they wish, but it is still a lie.

This also appears to be the case in the Administrators of the site.

Actually it is the opinion of one administrator on the site, you don't know what the rest of them think, even if you did, that's Argumentum Ad Verecundium. Just because an authority holds an opinion, does not make that opinion correct.

At 12/30/07 05:12 AM, JerkClock wrote: It was Wade Fulp who did and not Tom, your statement does not hold. In fact, Tom has been spotted stating the opposite:

http://web.archive.org/web/2002122117380 4/www.newgrounds.com/portal/readreview.p hp3?user_id=1

I just found it very ironic. :)

Our bandwidth problems aren't primarily the result of crappy Portal movies.

So your bandwidth argument fails.

Great. Digging out a review made in 2001. That's six years ago, in case you haven't noticed yet. Back then there was a lot less spam than there is now.

You do know how DoS-Attacks work, do you (if not, just ask google)?
Well, the same could happen to NG if spam groups flood the portal with an endless stream of crappy submissions. When Tom made that review no spam crew existed! Hell, even B wasn't submitted at that time!
Therefore, your argument fails.

Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

The 01/01/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: courtday
Users that have left the list: Quadraton

Population total voting power: 1812.4178
Average: 12.08

Distribution
1 14.xx
22 13.xx
51 12.xx
69 11.xx
7 10.xx

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+0.58 8.19 Idiot-Finder Commander +32
+0.18 7.60 JerkClock General +10

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121) 11.36 +0.03 7.10 harryjarry EGSC +2
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123) 11.36 +0.03 8.00 NegativeONE Colonel -1
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125) 11.32 +0.03 7.86 Wingman26 Brig. General
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148) 10.92 +0.02 8.27 HeRetiK Sgt. Major
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At 12/30/07 10:45 AM, Haggard wrote:
Great. Digging out a review made in 2001. That's six years ago,

Which is irrelevant because it is:

1. Still a valid point, the decent Flash that sucks up 5MB+ we all love watching takes up way more bandwidth than the spam no one watches except to blam.

2. It's also something he has yet to change his opinion on.

You do know how DoS-Attacks work, do you (if not, just ask google)?

Yes, and as explained the spam doesn't do enough. Wade Fulp, the proponent of this measure didn't even site DOS attacks as the reason(he had a much different reason), so your argument is asinine. Ask any admin and they will tell you the site has sufficient bandwidth to handle it.

Well, the same could happen to NG if spam groups flood the portal with an endless stream of crappy submissions.

Do you even know what it would take to DOS newgrounds? Or are you just talking out of your ass? I don't know myself, but suffice to say if the admins are not, and never were worried about spam Flash DOSing the site(and they haven't), we shouldn't either.

At 12/30/07 05:12 AM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/30/07 04:31 AM, Coop83 wrote:
So regular users don't contribute to the site?

Where did I say that?

By dint that the Regular users are the ones who sit down and take their bans, obviously never submitting anything to the portal ever again. We have too many submissions a day to deal with to say that regular users are not contributing.

It was Wade Fulp who did and not Tom, your statement does not hold. In fact, Tom has been spotted stating the opposite:

http://web.archive.org/web/2002122117380 4/www.newgrounds.com/portal/readreview.p hp3?user_id=1

This argument is taken so far out of context. Like Haggard says, it is from 2001, before the Clock Crew, Star Syndicate or any of the other spam clubs.

Our bandwidth problems aren't primarily the result of crappy Portal movies.

So your bandwidth argument fails.

Ask him now, see if he says the same.

It appears to be the widely held belief of the users discussing here (i.e. everyone except you) that the system works.

Argumentum Ad Populum. Everyone in the world can believe a lie if they wish, but it is still a lie.

Ooh, Latin. No Illegiemus Carborundii.

Actually it is the opinion of one administrator on the site, you don't know what the rest of them think, even if you did, that's Argumentum Ad Verecundium. Just because an authority holds an opinion, does not make that opinion correct.

Technically, they would be of the same opinion, as it does not present a good business front to be seen arguing in front of your clients and fanbase :P

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: 058) 12.26 +0.04 7.66 Ehwaz003 EGSC
059) 12.26 -------- 7.66 Mazza EGSC -4
060) 12.26 +0.04 7.66 Coop83 EGSC -1

Happy New Year, Wylo. Thanks for the update and Idiot Finder, you're a bastard. Obnly because you passed me.

Thanks for the 4 updates since I last posted, Wylo! YOU DA MAN. Keep it up in teh 2008s. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

At 11/19/07 11:07 PM, Wylo wrote: The 11/19/07 Top 150 Voting Power Update

001) 13.95 +0.01 8.72 YoinK EGSC
002) 13.89 -------- 8.68 altr EGSC
003) 13.89 +0.02 8.68 ramagi EGSC
004) 13.81 +0.03 8.91 NeMeSiSM66 Commander
005) 13.74 +0.01 8.59 bila EGSC
006) 13.68 +0.03 8.55 Stormwarden EGSC
007) 13.57 +0.02 8.48 Wylo EGSC
008) 13.55 +0.01 8.47 Joe EGSC
009) 13.49 +0.02 8.70 CaptainBob Commander
010) 13.44 +0.03 8.67 staphita Commander
011) 13.41 +0.03 8.38 iWalker EGSC
012) 13.31 +0.01 8.32 Parasoul EGSC
013) 13.30 +0.02 8.31 alexsmolik EGSC
014) 13.28 +0.02 8.30 ReconRebel EGSC
015) 13.20 +0.03 8.25 gfoxcook EGSC

Things in the top 15 are looking pretty stable, ayup... :::yawning:::

016) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC
017) 13.02 -------- 8.14 XwaynecoltX EGSC
018) 13.02 +0.03 8.14 wismty EGSC
019) 13.01 +0.03 8.13 Rabindarath EGSC
020) 12.99 +0.01 8.12 lightning EGSC
021) 12.99 +0.03 8.12 Toocool100 EGSC +1
022) 12.98 +0.02 8.11 Molotov EGSC -1
023) 12.96 +0.02 8.10 leeboy105 EGSC
024) 12.90 +0.04 8.06 ornery-scotsman EGSC +1
025) 12.88 +0.02 8.05 FIGMENTUM EGSC -1
026) 12.78 +0.01 7.99 iscrulz EGSC +1
027) 12.78 -------- 7.99 moongod EGSC -1
028) 12.77 +0.02 7.98 DonDoli EGSC
029) 12.74 +0.02 7.96 Denvish EGSC
030) 12.72 +0.02 7.95 LockClock EGSC
031) 12.66 +0.04 7.91 MPA EGSC +1
032) 12.65 +0.03 8.16 Myst Commander +1
033) 12.64 -------- 7.90 KWAS71KCK EGSC -2
034) 12.62 +0.03 7.89 carmelhadinosaur EGSC +1
035) 12.62 +0.03 8.14 RageVI Commander +1
036) 12.61 +0.02 8.52 PimpMasterKDOG General -2

You gotta go pretty far down away from the top 20 to find a non-EGSC, too... that's great news for us of teh lofty perches who continue to deposit without fail (or without much fail, at least).

At 12/2/07 09:40 PM, Wylo wrote: The 12/02/07 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: Kirk-Cocaine and JerkClock
Users that have left the list: Syme and Pieriku

Oh noe.... teh Syme. ;_;

Pieriku is teh gone, too.

015) 13.22 +0.02 8.26 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 XwaynecoltX EGSC +1
017) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC -1

Hey there, ~X~!

At 12/17/07 10:20 PM, Wylo wrote: The 12/17/07 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: Pieriku
Users that have left the list: UND

Hey, Pieriku is back already!

001) 14.00 +0.03 8.75 YoinK EGSC

Re-grats on that 14 point Oh, sirrah!

013) 13.33 +0.02 8.33 ReconRebel EGSC +1
014) 13.31 -------- 8.32 alexsmolik EGSC -1
015) 13.25 +0.03 8.28 gfoxcook EGSC

Congrats, Recon.

Yo alex, what be up? Are ya gonna sleep long enough for me to finally taste #14 (or wait... was I once #14 long long ago? I can't remember now ;_;)... or are ya gonna wake up and smell teh coffees?

017) 13.04 -------- 8.15 XwaynecoltX EGSC -1
018) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 Rabindarath EGSC +1
019) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC -2
020) 13.04 +0.03 8.15 Toocool100 EGSC +2

Wow... that's a whole lotta folks at 13.04 at once.

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: The 01/01/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update
Users entering list: courtday
Users that have left the list: Quadraton

courtday!!!

001) 14.02 +0.02 8.76 YoinK EGSC
002) 13.95 +0.01 8.72 ramagi EGSC

Keep on chuggin', folks.

013) 13.36 +0.03 8.35 ReconRebel EGSC
014) 13.31 -------- 8.32 alexsmolik EGSC
015) 13.26 +0.01 8.29 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.09 +0.02 8.18 wismty EGSC

Oh, and hey there, wismty. #;-}>

At 12/3/07 11:31 PM, wismty wrote:

014) 13.31 +0.03 8.32 ReconRebel EGSC
015) 13.22 +0.02 8.26 gfoxcook EGSC
016) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 XwaynecoltX EGSC +1
017) 13.04 -------- 8.15 Kronno EGSC -1
018) 13.04 +0.02 8.15 wismty EGSC
019) 13.02 +0.01 8.14 Rabindarath EGSC
020) 13.01 +0.03 8.13 Molotov EGSC +2
021) 13.01 +0.02 8.13 lightning EGSC -1
022) 13.01 +0.02 8.13 Toocool100 EGSC -1

I've already passed both ~X~ and -Cronno- in experience. Hopefully I'll be higher than them in the list by next update, putting me beneath the legendadry gfoxcook... for a very long time.

That's me, all right. #;-}> Welcome aboard. And yep, the stay's a long one.

I was #15 (And before that, I think I was #14 for a bit)... then #16 for awhile... then #15 again. And there at #15 I have stayed for... oh... over a year now. It's a sloooooooooooooow climb from here.

But hey, I just noticed today that I'm #66 in exp now according to my userpage ranking (last time I had noticed, I was still in the 70s!), so... at least I'm moving up SOMEwhere. #;-}>

At 12/4/07 04:18 PM, Molotov wrote: Hey reached the top 20. =)

Congrats and welcome to yous as well!

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote:

At 12/21/07 01:14 AM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/19/07 09:56 AM, YoinK wrote: Yea.. this is the 2nd time reaching 14.00 .... but first one to reach it after the redesign.
15.00 VP is definitely possible with the new system. It's all just a matter of time.

Unless they make it rescale when pimp hits level 60, which there's a lot of speculation of. In which case, I'll be pretty enraged.

Why would they make it rescale when Pimp hits level 60? It defies logic. Putting the experience requirements and therefore the Voting Power back on the sliding scale seems like it might still be a possibility, but given that the only people who need to know about this at the moment (for the next 2 years :P) are the Admins, we can merely speculate.

What about it defies logic?

The pasted text from Tom certainly suggests they aren't planning right now to re-introduce scaling, but I know I'm not alone when I assumed that level 60 = scaling begins again when the redesign came out and Pimp was at level 50 out of 60.

I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

No, but why would it be that way? Once HT or Pimp was at level 30, every day they deposited didn't add to their VP at all. Their VP stayed the same, and the only way ours went DOWN was if we didn't deposit.

So I'd hardly call that a penalty for the rest of us or a boost to the top user. More of just a... handicap for all of us while he treads water. It would just mean we'd be back to it taking longer to level up, increase VP, etc. etc, that's all.

At 12/21/07 12:21 PM, BlueHippo wrote: I was curious about how things would work when Pimp reached level 60... perhaps this PM i got back from Tom can better answer your question

At 11/19/07 4:01 PM, TomFulp wrote: The way the new system works is, the gap widens between each level as you go up - but it's a static algorithm, so it doesn't change based on what levels other users are on... It just takes longer to advance from one level to the next.

Under the new system, people will be able to keep leveling up beyond level 60 - their level will show, but currently they wills till have the level 60 icon (this could change)... The gap becomes so wide at this point, that advancing additional levels will start to be a VERY VERY slow process... But the opportunity is there for people who keep depositing. :)

-Tom

That's an interesting brand new system.

...the thing is, it's still kinda a mystery :/ Guess we're gonna have to wait and see >_<

Indeed. It won't take all that long. If scaling comes back, though, at least we all got 2-3 years to massively up our exp, levels, VP, etc. before the scaling came back.... and then it's just back to usual. But at least a usual with 60 levels instead of just 30. #;-}>

At 12/23/07 08:37 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 12/23/07 07:31 PM, Haggard wrote: Well, do you have an example of any user that had this happen to him?

I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

Didn't he say a user with their exp or b/p reset to 0? That's not the same thing as deleting a user.

And yes, there have been users with stats set back to 0 by the admins.

I can think of one who had their posts all deleted. And another who had all their b/p deleted. Without their accounts being deleted at the same time.

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

Crappy new year WhyLow. :P

The 01/01/08 Top 150 Voting Power Update

Thanks for the update.

Users entering list: courtday

Hello.

Users that have left the list: Quadraton

Goodbye.

Level uppers:

Congrats to the two users that ranked up.

At 1/1/08 10:24 PM, Wylo wrote: 076) 11.97 +0.03 7.48 Bahamut EGSC +1

Good good, up one rank AND it looks like I'll be the 75th user to reach 12.00VP. How convenient. :)

At 1/2/08 03:41 AM, Coop83 wrote:

By dint that the Regular users are the ones who sit down and take their bans, obviously never submitting anything to the portal ever again.

No I said perspective Flash authors who are trying to contribute are.

This argument is taken so far out of context. Like Haggard says, it is from 2001,

Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if he said it yesterday or 1000 years ago, it still holds water, and he has not changed his mind.

Ask him now, see if he says the same.

You bug him about it.

Ooh, Latin.

Irrelevant. I notice you failed to address the fact that your argument was a logical fallacy.

Technically, they would be of the same opinion,

Well not really, proof?

At 1/2/08 04:56 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 12/21/07 12:11 PM, Coop83 wrote: I couldn't see Pimp suddenly achieveing level 60 as a massive boost to his VP or penalty for everyone else.

No, but why would it be that way? Once HT or Pimp was at level 30, every day they deposited didn't add to their VP at all. Their VP stayed the same, and the only way ours went DOWN was if we didn't deposit.

Exactly my point. Not a boost to their own or a penalty to ours. Only a penalty to ours if we fail to deposit. Even then, if we are still depositing, our own VP will climb, just at a slightly slower rate.

At 12/23/07 08:37 PM, JerkClock wrote: I can't link to them if they're deleted dude. :|

I can think of one who had their posts all deleted. And another who had all their b/p deleted. Without their accounts being deleted at the same time.

A link would be really helpful here, but now you come to mention it, I do remember hearing of users who have had their Post count reset as with their B/P as well. Sadly, I can't remember names at present.

At 1/4/08 08:30 PM, JerkClock wrote:

At 1/2/08 03:41 AM, Coop83 wrote: By dint that the Regular users are the ones who sit down and take their bans, obviously never submitting anything to the portal ever again.

No I said perspective Flash authors who are trying to contribute are.

Then they're not really that desperate for attention, are they? If they were, they'd try again once the ban is lifted.

This argument is taken so far out of context. Like Haggard says, it is from 2001,

Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if he said it yesterday or 1000 years ago, it still holds water, and he has not changed his mind.

Prove that he hasn't.

Ask him now, see if he says the same.

You bug him about it.

I don't need to.

Ooh, Latin.

Irrelevant. I notice you failed to address the fact that your argument was a logical fallacy.

I notice you failed to address gfoxcook's argument about the accounts who have had Post count and / or B/P counts reset. In my eyes, my argument was not a logical fallacy

Technically, they would be of the same opinion,

Well not really, proof?

You've never heard of the good business sense of 'providing a united front'? Newgrounds is a business in today's modern world, a concept that you seem to have failed to grasp, prefering to resort to trying to poke holes in the facts and twist them to your own use.

It has been a while that I got the honor to end the top 100. At least Tommy is inactive, there is still hope.

At 1/1/08 10:22 PM, Wylo wrote: Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

I broke my new years resolution already. I wanked it to Yaoi.

025) 12.96 +0.03 8.10 ornery-scotsman EGSC
026) 12.86 +0.03 8.04 iscrulz EGSC

4 more updates to go.

027) 12.85 +C +1
030) 12.78 -------- 7.99 moongod EGSC -2
031) 12.74 +0.04 7.96 MPA EGSC
074) 12.01 +0.03 mScheff Commander
075) 11.98 +0.01 8.44 Dopefish Colonel