At 7/19/11 07:29 AM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 7/19/11 06:52 AM, Soapbubble wrote: Oh god, I can't believe people are starting to finish up. I've got some time left, though, I'll still finish it up.

Just takes some time is all. Also happy 6 year anniversary to me for being a member this long on the site, wicked!! Do the extra audio today and then some more I guess.

Happy NG-birthday again mate (:

I figure I might request a flash for review from the portal once a week, just so our reviewers can get some variation.

Hi guys! Nice thing you've got going there. Would love it if you took time to go over these to (:

• 

  Voyage pt. I & II

  by MakerThe

  Trip

  Song

  Ambient

  789 Views

  PLAY
• 

  Funksaw

  by MakerThe

  Funksaw

  Song

  House

  927 Views

  PLAY

Cheers

Would I be able to switch one of my review requests for another or is that not allowed? Also, I'd like to join.

At 7/19/11 07:06 PM, SCTE3 wrote: You can switch out at any time during the week.

Ok. In that case I'd like to switch "My Bits" with

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  by <deleted>

  9 Views

So the formula I'm getting for reviews is two paragraphs, about 5-6 sentences each? One for things you liked and one for things that could be improve?

At 7/19/11 08:00 PM, SomeGuyInSomePlace wrote: So the formula I'm getting for reviews is two paragraphs, about 5-6 sentences each? One for things you liked and one for things that could be improve?

Yep, you hit the nail on the coffin. You don't have to strictly follow that (especially if you begin writing a lot of reviews - eventually you'll find that keeping to a strict pattern will limit your review structures) but it's a great way to write a helpful review that lets the artist know what he did well in and what he could work harder on.

At 7/19/11 08:06 PM, Supersteph54 wrote: Sum things :O

Ok, cool. I'll keep that in mind. So I'm in?

Just wondering boys,but why dont you review a bit harder on the submissions? i know some artists might be new,but nonetheless,i judge everyone's work very hardly,regardless of the content or character of the work. i have never given a 10.that doesn't sound soo grand now,but after a few weeks in the RRC,i'll have close to a couple hundred reviews.

so tell me,why you guys so easy on everyone?

the only reason i judge so hard on them is to give constructive criticism and give an encouraging push to strive,and work harder and better.

example:i see SCTE and Soap consistently giving 8/9s,while on some submissions,me giving 5s~7s.

i may be a new member,but im not trying to force you guys to judge harder. im just asking why you dont.

NOTE - READ THESE RULES, EVEN IF YOU HAVE ALREADY READ THE RULES IN THE FIRST POST. THEY ARE AN UPDATED VERSION OF THE RULES IN THE FIRST POST AND THEY HAVE NEW IMPORTANT RULES!

Hello! Welcome to the new Review Request Club thread. This thread is meant to give the club a fresh start and make it a pleasant place to stay. In order to do this, it goes without saying that you must follow the regular BBS rules and read the C&C Advice Thread before posting if you are new to this forum.

This club aims to increase the exposure of the most under-rated Newgrounds music, art and flash artists. The other major purpose of the club is to offer the Newgrounds artists high quality feedback so they can constantly improve their work.

To the requesters:
Every Newgrounds user is allowed to request a review as soon as he submitted something. To get your work reviewed, don't post here without thinking but follow these few rules:

- Post a direct link to the submission(s) you want reviewed.
- Make no more than 3 Flash and Art requests between two updates (that's one week), and no more than 3 Audio Requests between 5 updates (that's four weeks).
- Please respond to reviews, reviewers like it and some of them are statwho... oh wait, interested in stats.
- Be patient. Due to the points system, you may not see reviews until up to two weeks after you requested, or if you requested more than 1 Audio submission, you may not see reviews on your second submission up until 3 weeks after you requested, and you may not see reviews on your third submission up until 4 weeks after you requested.
- Do NOT request without posting a link, be kind, reviewers are not robots.
- Do NOT simply say "Review everything" or just link to your profile.
- Do NOT request reviews for the same submission more than once.
- Do NOT request reviews for a submission with over 50 reviews.
- Do NOT request reviews for spam. Spam is only there to annoy, not to be critically analyzed.
- Unless you are a club member, only request reviews for YOUR OWN submissions.

To the reviewers:
If you want to join the club and complete requests, simply post in the thread saying you would like to join. Then, regular members will go through your reviews and determine if they are good enough to be part of the club. Your reviews are required to be helpful, developed and well-organised. If you need help with writing good reviews, read Fro's guide to writing helpful reviews.

Once you are accepted, you can start reviewing stuff. If you are a new member of the club, once you understand how the point system works, please post - one or two days before the update - the total points you've earned during the week. This is considered as a sort of application form, and if you fail to do so, you will NOT be added to the club.

Points System:
List updaters will keep track of each member's points in order to build a list. You don't need to post your points before each update but you can keep track of your score on your own so any error can be fixed. This is how points are counted:

5 points for a review on a requested submission (movie, game, art, or audio).
1 point for writing "Review Request Club" at the bottom of a requested review.
3 points for posting at least once throughout the two weeks.
5 points for referring a new member (must mention you in first post).
7 points for reviewing all requests/recommendations between two updates.

Club Updates:
Each Sunday or Monday, a list of all the members is created, counting up their points, featuring various stats and posting a list of requested submissions. Assuming you review the submissions in that list, you will get points for them accordingly in the following members' update, around a week later.

Don't forget the lists are built and updated by humans so it may be possible the update is delayed due to various real life reasons. If it ever occurs, don't get mad; calm down and wait :).

Frequently Asked Questions:

Should we have an FAQ?
I don't know. It kinda seems like overkill.

Why a new thread?
The main idea was to give the club a new and fresh start. Since the old one was flooded by requests and not updated any more, the RRC regulars thought creating a new thread would be best for the club.

Should I link to the club in my forum signature?
There's no obligation to do so, but it's certainly appreciated. Remember that you can put a high number in place of the page number in the URL and if that page doesn't exist yet, Newgrounds will take you to the latest page, whatever it is. For example, "http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/107 2042/999" will take you to the latest page of this club.

RRC Signature?
Yes, at the end of each review, if you want you can write down 'Review Request Club'. There is no obligation to do so, but you'll get +1 point if you put the RRC signature in your review. You can add anything you want to it, E.G.: *Review Request Club*, |Review Request Club|, -Review Request Club-, etc, but as long as 'Review Request Club' is clearly written, you will get the point. You are also allowed to add the sig in any reviews other than requests in this club, as long as you are a club member yourself. It's all the more exposure for the club, and it's very much appreciated.

+1 point if I put the RRC signature in my review... I'm not sure if I get it correctly.
You gain 6 points for a review on a request with "Review Request Club" in the end of it, as opposed to 5 points if you hadn't added the signature at the end. If it's still not clear, read this.

Does the Review Request Club review for non-NG stuff?
No. It must be an NG submission. If you have a non-NG submission which you would like us to review, then use your common sense and upload it to NG. Also, we will only review using the 'Write a Review' method on submissions. We won't send reviews by PM, review in your newspost or review in any particular thread of yours.

Do I have to review all the requests?
No you don't have to, just do your best :). Though completing them all will give you 7 extra points.

Which requests should I review?
If you want to get points for the next member's update, look for the latest requests list in the club thread and review the requests from that list. If you review any requests from various posts in the thread which would have been posted after the latest requests list, you will be getting points for the member's update after the next one.

can u review allz mah flashz guise? kthxbai.
No.

If you have more questions, feel free to post about it in the thread or PM a member and if your question is frequently asked, it'll be added to the FAQ.

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That's all about the club, though this new version of the club couldn't be opened without mentioning the old thread regulars who have made it a great place to spend time. Kudos to Freelance-Magician for creating the original club and to FattyWhale for maintaining it for so long. Thanks also to Sonofkirk for starting this new thread and doing many updates.

Have fun!

Useful links: RRC - The point system, clarified, Fro's Guide to Writing Helpful Reviews, Fro's Guide to Writing Good Reviews

Resources: Old Review Request Club thread, Club info, Google.

At 7/19/11 08:51 PM, NimblekidX wrote: Just wondering boys,but why dont you review a bit harder on the submissions? i know some artists might be new,but nonetheless,i judge everyone's work very hardly,regardless of the content or character of the work. i have never given a 10.that doesn't sound soo grand now,but after a few weeks in the RRC,i'll have close to a couple hundred reviews.

so tell me,why you guys so easy on everyone?

the only reason i judge so hard on them is to give constructive criticism and give an encouraging push to strive,and work harder and better.

example:i see SCTE and Soap consistently giving 8/9s,while on some submissions,me giving 5s~7s.

i may be a new member,but im not trying to force you guys to judge harder. im just asking why you dont.

My reviews aren't objective, they're subjective, I don't try to be nice and I don't try to be mean. I just review according to what I hear/see.

IMO, the score doesn't matter too much, it's the review itself that matters. I'd honestly just not give a score if I could, because I find it so hard to give a proper score. It doesn't matter how long they've been around to me.

Also not my fault people request tracks I like so much (:

At 7/19/11 08:33 PM, SomeGuyInSomePlace wrote: Ok, cool. I'll keep that in mind. So I'm in?

Sure thing! You can get started on the list but don't forget to make all your RRC reviews as helpful as you can without making them too long.

At 7/19/11 08:51 PM, NimblekidX wrote: Just wondering boys,but why dont you review a bit harder on the submissions?

It's probably just because of the way people decide on their review score. For instance, if, right now, I review a track which has a few flaws but sounds particularly well-made, I'd give it a 7, whereas if I reviewed the track before, when I was less harsh, I'd probably give it a 9 or 10, since I had different scoring standards at the time, even though the review itself would probably be very similar in terms of content.

Everyone has their different style of reviewing. Give the submission the score you feel it deserves, even if you think it deserves a lower score than what the other reviewers may have decided on. And you shouldn't worry too much about the score anyway - it's the review itself that counts.

At 7/19/11 09:12 PM, Supersteph54 wrote: Everyone has their different style of reviewing. Give the submission the score you feel it deserves, even if you think it deserves a lower score than what the other reviewers may have decided on. And you shouldn't worry too much about the score anyway - it's the review itself that counts.

Wise words from a wise person.

i myself dont worry about the normal voting score,i worry about the review score,simply because i feel it's more powerful in a sense that the user who listened in decided to stick around and tell you their opinion.reviews are very appreciated by all,im sure,which is one of the reasons i wanted to be a member. i want to help people!

thanks for replying to my question guys,im going back to work on finishing the audio/extra audio.

Question-why is it called "extra audio?" is it just more audio?

At 7/19/11 08:51 PM, NimblekidX wrote: so tell me,why you guys so easy on everyone?

In all of my reviews, I have never given anyone lower than a 6-7. This, I think, is primarily because only the people who really put the quality time and effort into their creations bother to request reviews for them. These are people who really value the feedback of others, and a mutual respect is formed between creator and reviewer. Most often, I don't waste my time giving harsh reviews to something I don't like, thereby identifying myself to some as a jerk. Anyone who puts up a piece-of-crap submission either doesn't care or is trolling. Take me, for example. For each of my submissions, there is a certain point or element of which I am proud, and want to share with everyone. I take reviews to heart, and try to incorporate those new ideas into my next piece. I've only heard pretty good stuff on this thread so far, and so there is no need for low scores.

TL DNR, I know. Sorry to get all philosophical on you, but there you have it.

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  Revelations =RC=

  by Raymoclaus

  Another Techno

  Song

  Techno

  1,545 Views

  PLAY

Hey peoples, the three people tha hae reviewed already have said that my song is awesome but I'm not entirely convinced yet because I'm surprised they liked it enough to give 9-10.

Oh man, just figured I'm going to the cabin tomorrow. I'll be gone till Saturday. Aand I'm hosting a tournament in a few hours in SC2, so I doubt I can do much for today. Hopefully I'll get it done on Sunday if my hangover isn't too bad. If not, I'm just crossing my fingers that the update will be late on Monday.

No, wait. I want to keep "My Bits" on the list. Can I switch "I Dunno D:" out instead?

Ah, crap. I forgot the RCC signature in one of my reviews. I feel dumb xD

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  Zerest - Good Times

  by steven-mcl

  New song as of 17/07/2011

  Song

  Techno

  1,095 Views

  PLAY

Hey guys, just askin' for a little review insight. Some little ditty I threw out and decided to upload. Got stuck on how to expand it so I threw this out just to end it off and work on something new for the future. Would be good if you could review it and tell me what you think. :P

Thanks, Zerest.

At 7/19/11 08:51 PM, NimblekidX wrote:

Just wondering boys,but why dont you review a bit harder on the submissions? i know some artists might be new,but nonetheless,i judge everyone's work very hardly,regardless of the content or character of the work. i have never given a 10.that doesn't sound soo grand now,but after a few weeks in the RRC,i'll have close to a couple hundred reviews.

If I dislike I submission and I see that technically is acceptable, I simply refrain from reviewing. I really could care less about the score, and in fact, I judge more the words instead of just a number. I think that a number can't sum up your entire review along with the possible mistakes and contradictions in it. To me, giving a 0 or a 10 is exactly the same thing, but I'm more prone to give 10's because in the end I care more about the people's reaction and how positively will receive my criticism. They should have a crystal clear vision of what *good* reviewers felt when listening to their tracks, it's all about symbiosis, synergy and have the will to improve each time you fail.

so tell me,why you guys so easy on everyone?

It's nothing more than an attitude.

the only reason i judge so hard on them is to give constructive criticism and give an encouraging push to strive,and work harder and better.

"Constructive" criticism is always relative. I usually write a few words that sum up pretty much what I feel of the overall track, what improvements should be taken in consideration, and try to help people figure out what they actually WANT to do. I'm not a psychologist, but not everyone here loves being pummeled down by "constructive" criticism and they rather take it as "harsh" instead.

example:i see SCTE and Soap consistently giving 8/9s,while on some submissions,me giving 5s~7s.

I noticed that too, but who cares, really. :) Each with his own judgement method.

i may be a new member,but im not trying to force you guys to judge harder. im just asking why you dont.

That's diversity, and its advantages. We're all here to share knowledge and understanding. So go ahead, and let's all improve the hive we're building together.

Just need to do six more audio reviews. Seems like I might actually make it, I'm actually surprised.

And I woke up about three hours earlier than I usually do. Actually feels good.

At 7/21/11 03:37 AM, Soapbubble wrote: Just need to do six more audio reviews. Seems like I might actually make it, I'm actually surprised.

And I woke up about three hours earlier than I usually do. Actually feels good.

I almost never slept tonight... Now I'm enjoying some Yoko Kanno. ^^
Feels AWESOME.

Well, usually I don't sleep more than 5 hours or so, that's basically my sleeping schedule during vacations. Go to bed late and wake up around 10, after 3-5 hours of sleep.

Went to bed at 1, slept till 9, eight hours of sleep never felt worse.
Gotta go get my coffee now >:

By the way, there doesn't seem to be much casual talk in here, how come?

Hey guys, could you please review my song? Thanks!

• Unpublished Submission

(For anyone who doesn't know me, i USED to be in Review Request Club.)

I remember when i left before. I am making a comeback. I am re-joining.

:)

At 7/21/11 08:12 AM, doppler73 wrote: (For anyone who doesn't know me, i USED to be in Review Request Club.)

I remember when i left before. I am making a comeback. I am re-joining.

)

Can't say I remember you, sorry, but anyone's welcome in my eyes, as long as they put effort into their reviews (:

At 7/21/11 05:36 AM, Soapbubble wrote: By the way, there doesn't seem to be much casual talk in here, how come?

It's all about the bussiness. 8)

Also, I wrote 4 reviews the other day and the very next day I lost 3 other reviews. It's so annoying sometimes....

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  The Sugar Claws: Iiii-vii

  by Celx-Requin

  A Modern Fairy Tale...

  Movie

  5,469 Views

  (Ages 13+)

Please?

i think i'll stop where i am on the reviews,i have quite a bit of points,and im gutted.

my first week point total is 81,and i missed one signature.

Hello again! Thought I might as well send in a few more songs to review. On another note, I'd like to say that it's quite annoying to not be able to post one song per week. I mean, on average, I get one song done per week (may be different for others), but as it is, it's EXTREMELY hard to figure out when I can post a request or not (I'm not 100% sure on this. I think I can post one, maybe two, which is why I'm posting two. If I can only do one, which I'm more sure about, disregard the video game song. ^_^). There's also the thing where two updates = one week, and five updates = four weeks..? That doesn't seem to make sense. If 2x = 1y, then wouldn't 5x=2.5y? Anyway. I'd simply like to just post a song when I finish it, I guess. :P I don't know many people who finish more than one song every week.

Anyway! Finishing my ramblings, songs!

Video game boss theme:

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  ~SW~ Wake From Your Nightmare

  by SkyeWint

  This is my tribute to the excellent soundtrack of the Kingdom Hearts series.

  Song

  Video Game

  3,912 Views

  PLAY

Another soundscape with some nice guitar and flutes:

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  ~SW~ Mountain Reserve

  by SkyeWint

  Reuploaded in Ambient catagory.

  Song

  Ambient

  1,369 Views

  PLAY

Enjoy! Also, if you could please rate them (at least, the video game one... zerobombers really suck. :| ), that would be awesome! Thankies for the awesome reviews! We can all use critiquing and constructive criticism, after all. Helps to improve for the future.

Oh yeah. Forgot to say. I'd like to join, though I may not be able to do too many of the requests, time constraints and all.

I can confidently say that I do a good job of reviewing when I put my mind to it and get serious (which happens occasionally, everybody gets lucky sometimes, I suppose).

Of course, I'd definitely be doing my best for the requests here. I only do music though, and occasionally games. Don't really know all that much about how to put together art or a good flash... But when it comes to music, I know how to do that. I focus on composition more than mixing (unless there's a ton of distortion or the mixing is so good that I absolutely have to compliment on it/there's not much other good I can say about it), so hopefully that'll help. People seem to focus more on mixing these days, but my opinion is "if there isn't that much distortion and it sounds good, fine by me". I'd rather not put jewelry on something that doesn't have a skeleton, and that's the analogy I'd use. The composition is the skeleton, the mixing/effects are jewelry/makeup.

...darn it, I went rambling again. If I manage to write that much on every review, I'd be golden, wouldn't I... Anyway. That's all I have to say. Bye again!

I didn't know a thread like this existed. ;o I really gotta start browsing the BBS since I've barely done so since I joined.

Anyway, could someone review this for me?

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/4 34914

Thanks in advance.