At 7/13/09 04:07 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote: Hey guys, remember the good o' days when only the GOOD games like Thing thing and Portal defender had medals? Ahhh, those days are now long gone now.

Since when is Thing Thing a good game? I really hate it (and not only because I'm not good at it, but mostly because it's so damn repititve).

At 7/13/09 04:37 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 7/13/09 04:07 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote: Hey guys, remember the good o' days when only the GOOD games like Thing thing and Portal defender had medals? Ahhh, those days are now long gone now.

Unfortunately yes...

Since when is Thing Thing a good game? I really hate it (and not only because I'm not good at it, but mostly because it's so damn repititve).

Well, TTA3 can be repetitive if you play it for a very long time like we had to do because of the medals...think of it: it's an arena ame so it focuses on killing with a lot of different weapons...

At 7/13/09 04:07 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote: Hey guys, remember the good o' days when only the GOOD games like Thing thing and Portal defender had medals? Ahhh, those days are now long gone now.

"you should play medal games because they're fun", but I mean, who the hell would play shit games like lastman and OCD+ 'for fun'? Maybe some loser would, but I mean... come on.

OCD+ isn't a game, it's a joke. And don't call Lastman shitty just because you don't like a challenge. I like Lastman more than Thing thing, for example. Feel free to call me loser, because I don't care. I enjoy playing Lastman, otherwise I would have stopped playing it. Easy as that.

At 7/13/09 06:37 AM, DigDogy wrote: OCD+ isn't a game, it's a joke. And don't call Lastman shitty just because you don't like a challenge. I like Lastman more than Thing thing, for example. Feel free to call me loser, because I don't care. I enjoy playing Lastman, otherwise I would have stopped playing it. Easy as that.

1.OCD+ is not a joke since the author didn't remove it after some time..if he did, OK,it's a joke, but the game is still here...
2.Lastman is not shitty just because it is hard..how can you like it more than TT?At least TT has some awesome graphics and animation....here is a review l found (actually 2 people wrote this same review...anyway) that pretty much sums up my opinion about that game:

This is one of those games that is so bad that it needs a whole numbered list to display its problems:
1)----Gameplay----
I like a challenge. And I like hard videogames. The problem here is the following: this game is hard mostly because of its poor, unresponsive and inaccurate controls.
You really need checkpoints for this game.
2)----Graphics----
Again, I like retro-styled games. What I don't enjoy are pseudo-retro styled games that look like something for the Atari 5200 instead of the the NES. The level of detail is very poor and the colors are monotonous.
How about using some bright colors for a change? Would it hurt to make slightly more detailed sprites?
3)----Sound----
I like my games with sound effects and music. Here we don't have music. That's strike one. Strike two? The variety of sound effects is really small. Strike three: Those that are present suck, simply put.
The original Legend of Zelda for example would've killed for 520KB of memory and yet it had more and better sounds than this. How come? I know it's not easy but how about a little effort of your part?
Seriously, make some changes or remove it.
Are the ads for every death just a cheap way to try and suck up as much revenue as you can? Someone should make a pong game with an ad that starts upon every hit the ball makes on either of the paddles, make it insanely hard to win, and put a medal in for all the statwhores, THEN act like an ass to everyone on the forums like you did. Bam, instant revenue. Right? Right.
Overall this is just another crap game, the difference being that it uses the medal system to gain exposure, which you then profit off by showing ads every 20 deaths.
If you have the slightest sense of decency make sure this disappears from the games with medals section.

At 7/13/09 07:15 AM, HeavyTank wrote: 1.OCD+ is not a joke since the author didn't remove it after some time..if he did, OK,it's a joke, but the game is still here...

The fact that OCD+ is still there makes the joke even more funny.

2.Lastman is not shitty just because it is hard..how can you like it more than TT?At least TT has some awesome graphics and animation....

Graphics aren't everything. If you don't like a game just because it doesn't have graphics like Crysis then I don't know what's wrong with you. It's the gameplay that makes the game fun, not the graphics.

Also, TT is damn repetitive. You can't tell me it's fun to get 100 or something kills with the gas grenade launcher. Or with 10 different projectile guns that are all basically the same. And the gameplay itself also loses it's fun after 15 minutes since you've then seen everything and now you're always doing the same thing over and over just to get the medals. But hey, it got good graphics, so it's better than Lastman, right? No. Not at all.

:here is a review l found (actually 2 people wrote this same review...anyway) that pretty much sums up my opinion about that game:

Too lazy to write your opinions down on your own, eh? ;)

Oh well, let's review this review.

This is one of those games that is so bad that it needs a whole numbered list to display its problems:
1)----Gameplay----
I like a challenge. And I like hard videogames. The problem here is the following: this game is hard mostly because of its poor, unresponsive and inaccurate controls.

Just because the controls aren't exactly like in every damn Mario game doesn't mean they're unresponsive or inaccurate. In fact, they behave like they should, it is intended that you slow down and can't speed up again in the air when you let the button go.

Runes of Shalak has inaccurate controls, Lastman doesn't.

You really need checkpoints for this game.

It's supposed to be difficult, so no checkpoints.

2)----Graphics----
Again, I like retro-styled games. What I don't enjoy are pseudo-retro styled games that look like something for the Atari 5200 instead of the the NES. The level of detail is very poor and the colors are monotonous.
How about using some bright colors for a change? Would it hurt to make slightly more detailed sprites?

Oh, NES is retro-styled and Atari is pseudo-retro-styled? Too old for you or what? Funny.
The graphics are simplistic, but not bad. It's a graphic style like everything else. A matter of personal taste. Also, did I mention that the gameplay makes games fun, not the graphics?

3)----Sound----
I like my games with sound effects and music. Here we don't have music. That's strike one. Strike two? The variety of sound effects is really small. Strike three: Those that are present suck, simply put.

I give you that, the sounds don't win an award. But that isn't that big of a problem, you don't need sounds effects to play this game. It's not like there is some voice acting you might miss. Listen some MP3's while playing it, problem solved.

The original Legend of Zelda for example would've killed for 520KB of memory and yet it had more and better sounds than this. How come? I know it's not easy but how about a little effort of your part?

The original Legend of Zelda had people who got paid for composing the music. Bad example.

Seriously, make some changes or remove it.

There are way worse games out there that didn't get removed. So yeah. Who are you to make such demands anyway? If you don't like it, don't play it. Simple as that.

Are the ads for every death just a cheap way to try and suck up as much revenue as you can? Someone should make a pong game with an ad that starts upon every hit the ball makes on either of the paddles, make it insanely hard to win, and put a medal in for all the statwhores, THEN act like an ass to everyone on the forums like you did. Bam, instant revenue. Right? Right.

Sure, an ad after every death was a rather bad idea, that's why he changed it. An ad every 20 deaths is reasonable, PiGPEN put a lot of effort and time into that game, it's only fair that he gets something for it.

Overall this is just another crap game, the difference being that it uses the medal system to gain exposure, which you then profit off by showing ads every 20 deaths.
If you have the slightest sense of decency make sure this disappears from the games with medals section.

If you have the slightest sense of decency make sure to stop demanding things. Because, don't be shocked, you're playing this for free. FOR FREE. That means you don't pay for it. Again, who are you to make demands? If you don't like it, don't play it. Nobody forces you to do so.

Like I said above, PiGPEN put a lot of effort and time into making this game. For what? To hear your bitching? Start paying him, then you can make demands. If you don't want to then shut up and play something else.

Did I mention that nobody forces you to play this game? And that you're complaining about a free game? No?

The game is free. You're complaining about a free game. A free game that nobody forces you to play.

Höchst amüsant.

Digdody, don't defend PiGPEN so much. There's no reason to defend him because he wasn't being attacked. The review area is for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, to help the author get better, and to or to no recommend the submission to passerby. If someone gives n unfair review, flag it. There are 4 more reviews for the person to read and if they all say that the game sucks then they won't play it, and won't rate it, and there is no harm done.

At 7/13/09 10:40 AM, arthurpark wrote: Digdody, don't defend PiGPEN so much. There's no reason to defend him because he wasn't being attacked. The review area is for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, to help the author get better, and to or to no recommend the submission to passerby.

I was merely stating why Lastman doesn't suck, nothing more. Saying "Seriously, make some changes or remove it." isn't very constructive by the way.

If someone gives n unfair review, flag it. There are 4 more reviews for the person to read and if they all say that the game sucks then they won't play it, and won't rate it, and there is no harm done.

Giving unfair reviews isn't against the rules.

Most of you are missing the reasons for all this "laziness" and "no effort" things by PiGPEN. Not giving you guys an easy way out is hardly "laziness". Expecting an easy way out is.

Though, I do admit there's not an incredible amount of good games coming into the Medals system, but Lastman is not one of the bad ones, it's just one of the hard ones.

I'ma stop here before it turns into a rant.

At 7/13/09 07:15 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

1)----Gameplay----
I like a challenge. And I like hard videogames. The problem here is the following: this game is hard mostly because of its poor, unresponsive and inaccurate controls.
You really need checkpoints for this game.

How would checkpoints help? You only get one life.

At 7/13/09 03:41 AM, DigDogy wrote: I guess you'll have to watch how you use the dirt blocks when going to the boss. If we go by my video, the left half of the long dirt block is still there, so is the single dirt block. So on your way back you'd hit the first spring, then the other spring and land on the double steel block above the double rockets. Keep running to jump onto the small dirt block, then on the remaining part of the long dirt block and then onto the teleporter. Haven't tried it yet, but it should work like that.

Excellent idea. It worked but now I'm stuck at the very long line of crabs that was supposed to be killed with the armadillo. I don't see a way to proceed back from there without having to kill the crabs one-by-one, if that is even possible due to overlapping crabs.

At 7/13/09 01:57 PM, arthurpark wrote: How would checkpoints help? You only get one life.

lol yeah.....my response to friends who play it for the first time and ask if there is checkpoints has always been "Yeah there's lots of checkpoints....but you only have one life."

And since we're analyzing Lastman reviews in here and i cant reply to reviews (javascript is broken for "reply" link and review voting for me)...

Hard games need to be games where you CAN overcome any challenge the first time, it is just very difficult. With this game, that is not the case.

Oh shit he's read something by Richard Rouse....i'm in for it now!

What you basically do with this game is "change the rules as you go". Which is, simply put, breaking one of the fundamental rules of game design. All enemies and pieces of the environment need to be 100% consistent in their behaviors, no matter how much you want to change it to make it hard. In the very first part of the game, for example, one hedgehog enemy, when it reaches the end of a platform, turns around. While the other falls to the ground beneath it. This is a sign of a poorly designed game...

And he just called SMB a poorly designed game.....guess he forgot that enemies did that in SMB too....or he's never played it.

...as you felt that, in order to make the game more challenging, this one hedgehog would have to fall to the ground. The player, therefore expecting a hedgehog to NOT fall due to the behavior of the one and only previous hedgehog enemy, does not stand a chance in preventing an inevitable death the first time through.
My criticism is entirely meant to be constructive. If you want to make a challenging game, use something like the original Ninja Gaiden (2004 Xbox action game) as a model.

This is where my jaw dropped the first time reading it and then i raged a bit and felt trolled.
I'm going to repeat those word for dramatic effect...
the original Ninja Gaiden (2004 Xbox action game)
...and then i lawl'd because he used Ninja Gaiden as an example of a fair game. I've never played the xbox version but it must be really weaksauce.

That game is immensely hard, but with EVERY challenge, there is a way to overcome it, and a skilled player stands a chance of overcoming every challenge the first time. Making a game difficult in this way is hard, yes, but it is the only way to make a challenging game actually rewarding. You claim to have looked at the classic hardcore platformers as examples, but while your game is hard, the kind of challenge it offers is a completely different one. The only way a player will win is by playing your game over and over and over again, and every player who does that will win. In a sense, that makes this game not even hard, simply demanding.

Hey hands up people who've played this game over 200 times.....you've all won right? Lastman is simply demanding not hard.

You deserve a 5, because what you set out to do was good. However, your philosophy on game design needs work.

Fuck, i'll go read some more Richard Rouse.

At 7/13/09 02:08 PM, Wylo wrote: Excellent idea. It worked but now I'm stuck at the very long line of crabs that was supposed to be killed with the armadillo. I don't see a way to proceed back from there without having to kill the crabs one-by-one, if that is even possible due to overlapping crabs.

Mmmm if i remember right there was a way of using the spring.

Is the medal 4Musketeer working for you guys? It isn't for me. I cleared the game with 4 heroes, and I didn't get the medal.

So I haven't gotten any new medals in over a week(upsetting in itself) but my score on my profile is showing 13535, when i know it's supposed to only be 13430. Even when I updated my NG Log stats it still has me at 13535??? I R LOST!

At 7/13/09 04:07 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote: Hey guys, remember the good o' days when only the GOOD games like Thing thing and Portal defender had medals? Ahhh, those days are now long gone now.

I agree. But back then Fear Unlimited 2 was out and that thing was hard as shit as well. Great thing it's gone. If people made more games that were fun and not impossible to accomplish, but hard enough to promote a good challenge I wouldn't nearly be as frustrated with the system.

At 7/13/09 02:27 PM, dx5231 wrote: Is the medal 4Musketeer working for you guys? It isn't for me. I cleared the game with 4 heroes, and I didn't get the medal.

Yea, this has been stated many times. We all know it's broken.

PM the author, maybe after a certain number of pm messages he'll make an effort to change it.

But I don't really care since no one is getting the points for it anyway, unlike stupid Seed of Destruction pancake medal...

At 7/13/09 08:22 AM, DigDogy wrote:
The fact that OCD+ is still there makes the joke even more funny.

Seriosly man, l don't know how can you find a joke at your expense funny...l mean, come on..

Graphics aren't everything. If you don't like a game just because it doesn't have graphics like Crysis then I don't know what's wrong with you. It's the gameplay that makes the game fun, not the graphics.

No, for heaven's sake, l am not saying that it's shitty JUST because l don't like the graphics....but you have to admit that they contribute to the crappyness/awesomness of a game...

Also, TT is damn repetitive. You can't tell me it's fun to get 100 or something kills with the gas grenade launcher. Or with 10 different projectile guns that are all basically the same. And the gameplay itself also loses it's fun after 15 minutes since you've then seen everything and now you're always doing the same thing over and over just to get the medals. But hey, it got good graphics, so it's better than Lastman, right? No. Not at all.

Well if you want to look at things that way Lastman gets boring after the FIRST minute, so yeah...aren;t you doing the same thing over and over to get the medal here too?
With the only difference being that in TT you kill, in Lastman you get killed.

Too lazy to write your opinions down on your own, eh? ;)

I think l expressed my opinion on that game soooo many times, so no, l don't think so...

Oh well, let's review this review.

lol

You really need checkpoints for this game.

It's supposed to be difficult, so no checkpoints.

Yeah, l agree with you on that one

Oh, NES is retro-styled and Atari is pseudo-retro-styled? Too old for you or what? Funny.
The graphics are simplistic, but not bad. It's a graphic style like everything else. A matter of personal taste. Also, did I mention that the gameplay makes games fun, not the graphics?

Yes, well, not counting the fact that the gameplay is even crappier than the graphics, the game has its graphic style, yes, but as the reviewer said, it wouldn't hurt to put more effort into them...

I give you that, the sounds don't win an award. But that isn't that big of a problem, you don't need sounds effects to play this game. It's not like there is some voice acting you might miss. Listen some MP3's while playing it, problem solved.

I know, l usually turn off the sound so no problem here

The original Legend of Zelda had people who got paid for composing the music. Bad example.

Hell, he could take some music from the Audio portal, there are so many awesome tracks there...

There are way worse games out there that didn't get removed. So yeah. Who are you to make such demands anyway? If you don't like it, don't play it. Simple as that.

You know very well that this isn't the case with medal games.And really, show me one of these "way worse games"?
And l don't mean 2kb shooters, l mean some "serious" crappy games...

Sure, an ad after every death was a rather bad idea, that's why he changed it. An ad every 20 deaths is reasonable, PiGPEN put a lot of effort and time into that game, it's only fair that he gets something for it.

...then how come ALL the other games, even the best ones have ads only during the loading or after a long time?

If you have the slightest sense of decency make sure to stop demanding things. Because, don't be shocked, you're playing this for free. FOR FREE. That means you don't pay for it. Again, who are you to make demands? If you don't like it, don't play it. Nobody forces you to do so.

The "you don't like it: don't play it" isn't a valid argument in this case because you kow very well that putting medals into a game will make it immensely more popular and more people will try much harder to beat it just to get the,/

Did I mention that nobody forces you to play this game? And that you're complaining about a free game? No?

The game is free. You're complaining about a free game. A free game that nobody forces you to play.

Jesus freaking Christ it's like the 5th time you mention in on this post..well, l'll say it again: THIS IS NOT A VALID ARGUMENT.Medals "force" people to play games and PigPen knows that very well, so l have to say he did a pretty good job at advertising his game....even in such a despicable way...

Höchst amüsant.

Hilarious?Wtf?

At 7/13/09 04:06 PM, HeavyTank wrote: Seriosly man, l don't know how can you find a joke at your expense funny...l mean, come on..

I'd rather laugh than bitch around. I guess our sense of humor differs.

but you have to admit that they contribute to the crappyness/awesomness of a game...

It's simplistic, just like the game, yes. That doesn't mean that it looks bad or that it is a bad game though.

Well if you want to look at things that way Lastman gets boring after the FIRST minute, so yeah...aren;t you doing the same thing over and over to get the medal here too?

I didn't say Lastman isn't repetitive of some sorts (it all comes down to jumping after all) but you get new challenges there the farther you get. In TT you only have the different weapons and half of them are rather identical.

Yes, well, not counting the fact that the gameplay is even crappier than the graphics

The first Super Mario Bros. had the same gameplay.

the game has its graphic style, yes, but as the reviewer said, it wouldn't hurt to put more effort into them...

Of course the reviewer says that, because it is the creators time that gets put into the game, not the time of the reviewer. "Hey while you're at it, a few more levels wouldn't hurt either. Or a multiplayer part. Or some more bosses. Or different characters."
See where I'm heading?

Hell, he could take some music from the Audio portal, there are so many awesome tracks there...

Hmm, agreed. PiGPEN you jerk, write that down.

show me one of these "way worse games"?

Stamper's quest for fags. Oh and OCD+ of course, but that isn't a game.

...then how come ALL the other games, even the best ones have ads only during the loading or after a long time?

Because the creators were unimaginative. Seriously, you talk like a max-10-seconds ad every 20 deaths would ruin your complete evening. Just think of it as a birthday present to PiGPEN every time you watch an ad.

The "you don't like it: don't play it" isn't a valid argument

Of course it is. Just because the game has medals doesn't mean you have to play it.

Medals "force" people to play games

No, they only give people one more reason to play the game. They don't force, unless you've got an OCD of some sort and need every medal to remain sane.

Also, medals should be meant to be an accomplishment, something you can be proud of. An achievement. A medal you get for viewing an art collab isn't an achievement. Those medals are the real ripoff.

At 7/13/09 04:48 PM, DigDogy wrote: I'd rather laugh than bitch around. I guess our sense of humor differs.

You'd rather not complain and let the game authors act like assholes..that's not having a sense of humor..

It's simplistic, just like the game, yes. That doesn't mean that it looks bad or that it is a bad game though.

No doubt about it...

I didn't say Lastman isn't repetitive of some sorts (it all comes down to jumping after all) but you get new challenges there the farther you get. In TT you only have the different weapons and half of them are rather identical.

Meh whatever l guess that it boils down to personal gameplay preferences...
De gustibus non est disputandum....(l had to say that)

The first Super Mario Bros. had the same gameplay.

Aaaand?

Of course the reviewer says that, because it is the creators time that gets put into the game, not the time of the reviewer. "Hey while you're at it, a few more levels wouldn't hurt either. Or a multiplayer part. Or some more bosses. Or different characters."
See where I'm heading?

I do, but he merely suggested that better graphics would've been nice...it's not like he said OMFG PUT BETTER GRAPHS COZ IT SUX OLOLOLOL

Hmm, agreed. PiGPEN you jerk, write that down.

:)

Stamper's quest for fags. Oh and OCD+ of course, but that isn't a game.

Well Stamper's quest for fags was boring as fuck and even more repetitive but at least it was very easy so that you could get the medals and never play it again...

Because the creators were unimaginative. Seriously, you talk like a max-10-seconds ad every 20 deaths would ruin your complete evening. Just think of it as a birthday present to PiGPEN every time you watch an ad.

....but l don't want to give him a present for making this!
But, however, the game gave ME a present after the ads....l got the Home medal without doing absolutely nothing.....at least l won't have to go back if l ever beat this game...

Medals "force" people to play games

No, they only give people one more reason to play the game. They don't force, unless you've got an OCD of some sort and need every medal to remain sane.

Well it looks like some people do.

Also, medals should be meant to be an accomplishment, something you can be proud of. An achievement. A medal you get for viewing an art collab isn't an achievement. Those medals are the real ripoff.

Heh, well, these medals are really just for the lulz...thinking that clicking a part of a picture and beating Lastman are worth the same medal points is just disturbing...

At 7/13/09 07:15 AM, HeavyTank wrote: 1.OCD+ is not a joke since the author didn't remove it after some time..if he did, OK,it's a joke, but the game is still here...

How does that make any sense? Do you normally destroy jokes?

And i didn't include music in Lastman because i figured the people who would be playing it for long periods of time would want to listen to their own.
Music has played important parts in my previous games....but you have to know when it doesn't belong.

Lastman is a good game. Just because you suck at it doesn't mean the game sucks. I don't remember people bitching about Drunken Deity. And people bitched a tiny bit about EBF, but not nearly as much as this. EBF took more than an hour to beat, and then you had to beat it 3 times. Not mentioning the times you died at the last boss which wasted an hour. This game takes 8 minutes at most to complete.

At 7/13/09 04:48 PM, DigDogy wrote: They don't force, unless you've got an OCD of some sort and need every medal to remain sane.
At 7/13/09 04:57 PM, HeavyTank wrote: Well it looks like some people do.

Lol, do game designers have to start making their games neurosis accessible?
If it isn't the OCDs bitching it's gonna be the Autistics...can't win.

At 7/13/09 04:57 PM, HeavyTank wrote: You'd rather not complain and let the game authors act like assholes..that's not having a sense of humor..

No, I'll complain if something is broken. OCD+ isn't broken, it works as intented. Medals should be achievements, remember? If such an achievement is worth your time is your decision though.

Aaaand?

So you're basically saying the first Super Mario Bros. has crappy gameplay.

I do, but he merely suggested that better graphics would've been nice...it's not like he said OMFG PUT BETTER GRAPHS COZ IT SUX OLOLOLOL

No, you said better graphics wouldn't hurt. But it would hurt, namely the leisure time of the creator.

Well Stamper's quest for fags was boring as fuck and even more repetitive but at least it was very easy so that you could get the medals and never play it again...

I'll give you a second to read your sentence again.

...

Done? Okay, now I tell you what's wrong with it: You're saying a game can be "repetitive" and "boring as fuck" as long as it is easy enough to get the medals easily.

....but l don't want to give him a present for making this!

So you want to play it for free but don't give the creator 10 seconds of your precious time now and then so he can get money from somewhere that isn't your bank account? Man, you're such a nice guy. Wait, that's the wrong word. I meant egoist. I bet you get all your games from filesharing sites.

Well it looks like some people do.

Not my problem, not the authors problem.

Heh, well, these medals are really just for the lulz...thinking that clicking a part of a picture and beating Lastman are worth the same medal points is just disturbing...

See, and there is the actual problem.

At 7/13/09 05:05 PM, PiGPEN wrote: And i didn't include music in Lastman because i figured the people who would be playing it for long periods of time would want to listen to their own.
Music has played important parts in my previous games....but you have to know when it doesn't belong.

Makes sense. I forgive you.

Oh and totally agreed RYNOL.

At 7/13/09 05:13 PM, RYNOL wrote: Lastman is a good game. Just because you suck at it doesn't mean the game sucks. I don't remember people bitching about Drunken Deity. And people bitched a tiny bit about EBF, but not nearly as much as this. EBF took more than an hour to beat, and then you had to beat it 3 times. Not mentioning the times you died at the last boss which wasted an hour. This game takes 8 minutes at most to complete.

I think the reason behind people not bitching about Drunken Diety is because there were so many other medals to get, and getting those medals made you feel like DD was gettable where as Lastman it's really all or nothing. I won't say I love that game, but I will say I can't stop playing it. And seeing DigDogy's Video and the discussion about going all the way back to the start is even more discouraging. But I am still going. I think the Medal Whore Community needs more Beetle Battle/Go Home/Drunken Diety's to set aside the true believers!
After my initial hate for the game i think my only real complaint left is the lack of a mute button because I am really tired of hearing the sound of my own death chiming in over my winamp

At 7/13/09 05:15 PM, DigDogy wrote:

Aaaand?

So you're basically saying the first Super Mario Bros. has crappy gameplay.

No since l have never played it....

No, you said better graphics wouldn't hurt. But it would hurt, namely the leisure time of the creator.

That's another thing..if the author can't be arsed to make better graphics is purely his decision...

I'll give you a second to read your sentence again.

...

Done? Okay, now I tell you what's wrong with it: You're saying a game can be "repetitive" and "boring as fuck" as long as it is easy enough to get the medals easily.

Yes, and where's the problem?How many boring but easy medal games are there?

So you want to play it for free but don't give the creator 10 seconds of your precious time now and then so he can get money from somewhere that isn't your bank account? Man, you're such a nice guy. Wait, that's the wrong word. I meant egoist. I bet you get all your games from filesharing sites.

Egoist?Heh!I don't want the author to get money if he is to make more games like this, the hell l don't...and no, l don't get all my games from filesharing sites.Usually l get good ones that will last a long time.

Not my problem, not the authors problem.

Sure, l was just pointing it out...

See, and there is the actual problem.

The problem is that the authors can give any medal value to any medal they want...so id they want to be idiots they can put 5 point super hard medals, but they know that nobody will bother getting them so they put 100 points easy medals instead...

Also, l finally got Glorious...well, "finally" isn't the right word since it's actually the first time that l play Survival after Story mode...one more game out of they way.
Now l have to figue out how the hell will l get these Drop the Bomb medals...

At 7/13/09 05:47 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 7/13/09 05:15 PM, DigDogy wrote: So you're basically saying the first Super Mario Bros. has crappy gameplay.

No since l have never played it....

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What are you doing here?
What?
Why?
Why are you...?
Huh!?
GTFO!

At 7/13/09 05:47 PM, HeavyTank wrote: No since l have never played it....

Shame on you.

That's another thing..if the author can't be arsed to make better graphics is purely his decision...

And? Where's the point?

Yes, and where's the problem?How many boring but easy medal games are there?

The problem is that all those boring but easy medal games make the games that are actually a challenge and worth the medals look like hell. Which they aren't, everyone is just spoiled by all those medals you can get for just opening the flash and staring at it.

Egoist?Heh!I don't want the author to get money if he is to make more games like this, the hell l don't

You're playing his game, so he should get his money. This is how things work.

The problem is that the authors can give any medal value to any medal they want...so id they want to be idiots they can put 5 point super hard medals, but they know that nobody will bother getting them so they put 100 points easy medals instead...

Correct, that is a problem.

Also, l finally got Glorious...well, "finally" isn't the right word since it's actually the first time that l play Survival after Story mode...one more game out of they way.
Now l have to figue out how the hell will l get these Drop the Bomb medals...

I have long ago given up on those Drop the Bomb medals. Medals that are purely based on luck are the worst kind. Those should get removed, not the hard ones that are based on skill.

I'll toss in my opinion too.

I think you guys are bitching and moaning way too much about this. It's only a medal game, which doesn't give you anything in real life. You moan way too much about it for what it's worth.

The only real complaint I have about the game is it needs checkpoints. I'm sick and tired of wasting my time redoing the beginning parts when I get to a new obstacle. Because that's basically how you win this game, you practice each part til you get good enough to move on to the next. It's just annoying to waste your time doing the parts you already have down over and over, thus a checkpoint would really be great.

It doesn't take away from the challenge of the game, because you still have to take the same amount of time to learn each new section, but it at least makes it a little less frustrating every time you die.

I hope you take that into consideration PigPen.

So much more successful than OCD+.

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