Jesus a Stoner?

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Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

http://www.guardian...,3604,869273,00.html

[Jesus as a doper? No way - except he had long hair, talked a lot about love and worldwide peace, and "saw" god frequently. Well maybe it's not that farfetched of a claim after all ...]

[Altarus]

He did not use it to get high, which is all that matters. I find the suggestion that weed might have been responsible for some of the miracles absurd and kind of offensive.

[TheBlueBullet]

At 1/13/06 09:19 PM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: "If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

Thats insane. Did God ever prohibit the use of drugs? I seriously do not know of a verse that says "Thou shalt not smoke pot" People persecute cannabis users because I think they see it as a symbol of self-mutilation. NOT because God said not to. I think the guy is an idiot.

[Montgomery-Scott]

At 1/13/06 09:28 PM, TehBlueBullet wrote:

At 1/13/06 09:19 PM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: "If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

Thats insane. Did God ever prohibit the use of drugs? I seriously do not know of a verse that says "Thou shalt not smoke pot" People persecute cannabis users because I think they see it as a symbol of self-mutilation. NOT because God said not to. I think the guy is an idiot.

Actually, there are several biblical admonitions against cannibis use, if the scripture is read in a certain way. a) gluttony and sloth are two deadly sins. over-indulgence in pleasurable acts such as drinking and recrational drugs is gluttony, and marijuana use causes sloth, and thus, both cannibis use is a deadly sin. b) the bible talks about the body as a temple, and to pollute that temple with outside substances such as drugs (cannibis) is an affront to god.

[TheBlueBullet]

True. Thanks for the correction.

[BigBlueBalls]

At 1/13/06 09:45 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Actually, there are several biblical admonitions against cannibis use, if the scripture is read in a certain way. a) gluttony and sloth are two deadly sins. over-indulgence in pleasurable acts such as drinking and recrational drugs is gluttony, and marijuana use causes sloth, and thus, both cannibis use is a deadly sin. b) the bible talks about the body as a temple, and to pollute that temple with outside substances such as drugs (cannibis) is an affront to god.

Well if the scripture is read a certain way, then any fat Christian out there... like that God Warrior chick from Trading Spouses, they are breaking God's law as well. Sorry, but abusing your body by eating fatty foods causing you to have a heart attack or smoking too much weed and destroying your lungs, to me are in the same category.

You say over-indulgence and that's really when it comes down to, but not everyone who smokes pot over-indulges or is lazy. I actually only smoke pot if I've got all my work finished and I need time to relax after a hard week. It's not like I do that in place of what I need to get done. I'm sure Jesus would have smoked a joint if someone passed it to him. Then I'm sure his sermons would be that much more interesting.

[SvF-BD02-Wedge]

I'd like to see just which passages, and which bible version, he is using to make these assumptions. I can't remember Jesus ever using herbs in his healings.

[102387412]

At 1/13/06 09:27 PM, Wyrlum wrote: He did not use it to get high, which is all that matters.

Well Jesus and his followers didn't seem to be bothered by the powerful effects of the cannabis they used. In fact, they kept re-using it, maybe specifically for the intoxication that occured.

[Montgomery-Scott]

At 1/13/06 10:53 PM, BigBlueBalls wrote:

At 1/13/06 09:45 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Actually, there are several biblical admonitions against cannibis use, if the scripture is read in a certain way. a) gluttony and sloth are two deadly sins. over-indulgence in pleasurable acts such as drinking and recrational drugs is gluttony, and marijuana use causes sloth, and thus, both cannibis use is a deadly sin. b) the bible talks about the body as a temple, and to pollute that temple with outside substances such as drugs (cannibis) is an affront to god.

Well if the scripture is read a certain way, then any fat Christian out there... like that God Warrior chick from Trading Spouses, they are breaking God's law as well. Sorry, but abusing your body by eating fatty foods causing you to have a heart attack or smoking too much weed and destroying your lungs, to me are in the same category.

Yep, thats what i'm saying. that if you read scripture a certain way then leading a spartan lifestyle and keeping fit and trim are part of biblical law. So fat people have no right to be bible beaters and call everybody else sinners and sodomites.

You say over-indulgence and that's really when it comes down to, but not everyone who smokes pot over-indulges or is lazy. I actually only smoke pot if I've got all my work finished and I need time to relax after a hard week. It's not like I do that in place of what I need to get done. I'm sure Jesus would have smoked a joint if someone passed it to him. Then I'm sure his sermons would be that much more interesting.

I'm not condemning weed, i smoke myself. I'm just saying that certain interpretations of scripture lend themselves to the belief that cannibis use is sinful

At 1/13/06 09:45 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Actually, there are several biblical admonitions against cannibis use, if the scripture is read in a certain way. a) gluttony and sloth are two deadly sins. over-indulgence in pleasurable acts such as drinking and recrational drugs is gluttony, and marijuana use causes sloth, and thus, both cannibis use is a deadly sin. b) the bible talks about the body as a temple, and to pollute that temple with outside substances such as drugs (cannibis) is an affront to god.

Those are merely your personal interpretations. I could say just as easily that God is against the internet and other hig-tech forms entertainment as they encourage sloth and that God is against McDonalds since McDonalds is unhealthy, therefore polluting the metaphorical temple.

At 1/14/06 11:40 PM, Quanze13 wrote: I'm just saying that certain interpretations of scripture lend themselves to the belief that cannibis use is sinful

Biblical references to cannabis aren't subliminal or hidden away in interpretations of fables.

As doubtful as the following hypothesis might first seem to the reader, I might as well boldly state my case right from the start: either Jesus used marijuana or he was not the Christ. The very word "Christ", by the implication of its linguistic origins and true meaning, gives us the most profound evidence that Jesus did in fact use the same herb as his ancient semitic ancestors, and which is still used by people around the world for its enlightening and healing properties.

The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed" D. The Messiah was recognized as such by his being anointed with the holy anointing oil, the use of which was restricted to the instillation of Hebrew priests and kings (See CC#5). If Jesus was not initiated in this fashion then he was not the Christ, and had no official claim to the title.

The ancient recipe for this anointing oil, recorded in the Old Testament book of Exodus (30: 22-23) included over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops, Hebrew "kaneh-bosm" B, extracted into a hind (about 6.5 litres) of olive oil, along with a variety of other herbs and spices. The ancient chosen ones were literally drenched in this potent cannabis holy oil.
http://www.cannabisc..ues/cc11/christ.html

[Montgomery-Scott]

At 1/14/06 11:42 PM, sea_food wrote:

At 1/13/06 09:45 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Actually, there are several biblical admonitions against cannibis use, if the scripture is read in a certain way. a) gluttony and sloth are two deadly sins. over-indulgence in pleasurable acts such as drinking and recrational drugs is gluttony, and marijuana use causes sloth, and thus, both cannibis use is a deadly sin. b) the bible talks about the body as a temple, and to pollute that temple with outside substances such as drugs (cannibis) is an affront to god.

Those are merely your personal interpretations. I could say just as easily that God is against the internet and other hig-tech forms entertainment as they encourage sloth and that God is against McDonalds since McDonalds is unhealthy, therefore polluting the metaphorical temple.

As I said, those aren't my personal interpretations. I was just stating how the book could be interpreted. And God probably is against McDonalds, its unhealthy and immoral on a variety of levels.

[The-Dran]

At 1/13/06 09:19 PM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.

Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

http://www.guardian...,3604,869273,00.html

[Jesus as a doper? No way - except he had long hair, talked a lot about love and worldwide peace, and "saw" god frequently. Well maybe it's not that farfetched of a claim after all ...]

Jesus didn't have long hair, a study came out about his physicality and it came that he didn't have long, shiny, straight hair. He had short, curly, almost afro like hair. This was the kind of hair most Jews had back in those days. By the way most Jews weren't black, there were Semetic, which is the basis of most middle eastern people of the Canaan Region.

http://www.biblepict..s%20shoulder%20B.gif

if his hair was long, it might look something like this

http://www.bursdagbu..ages/Afro-parykk.jpg

[Stieuweneeg]

I don't know why there's such a big problem with pot it turns out to be great for your concentration and there was an IQ test with people before and after they smoked some pot and it turns out that there average IQ went UP with I believe 12 points. So I say: everybody in the world should smoke weed.

[x-Toadenalin-x]

I have a small problem with this article

If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil then Jesus was a stoner

In other words, if Jesus was a stoner, he was a stoner. The rest of the argument is just that it's fairly likely OTHER people used cannabis in oil

Still, interesting article.

[Wadger]

i think it is highly likely that they smoked weed. the rastafarians bealive that weed was growing on king solomons grave and they are a form of christianity.

cannabis isnt a bad thing. its our society that has made it a bad thing. it would of been perfectly acceptable in biblical times.

[Altarus]

The Bible says that drunkenness is a sin. Getting high is like getting drunk in that it impairs your capability distinguish right and wrong.

It also says that getting addicted is a sin. So, however you use cannabis, you should not be able to get addicted to it.

Lastly, the Bible says that wine consumed in moderation is good because it is good for your health. Since wine/cannabis are alike, a reasonable conclusion is that cannabis is okay to use for good purposes, so long as we moderate its use.

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Now getting stoned means getting really high. That alone is probably a sin. Plus, to support that viewpoint, getting stoned leads to addiction, definately a sin. Therefore, Jesus was certainly not a stoner. Moreover, we can conclude that the concentration of cannabis in annointing oil and/or the manner of usage of annointing oil was such that annointing oil led to neither highs nor addiction.

However, the Bible suggests that cannabis is okay in moderation. Thus, there is nothing contradictory about the use of cannabis in the Bible.

[The-Dran]

At 1/15/06 06:54 AM, lapis wrote:

At 1/15/06 03:57 AM, Dranigus wrote: if his hair was long, it might look something like this

http://www.bursdagbu..ages/Afro-parykk.jpg

Sinner! Heretic! You forgot the beard!
>:(

But I wasn't talking about facial hair, I was talking about plain hair. So wouldn't your affiliation calling be a sin of envy or wrath?

[dapperdan1]

that site cannot be real!!! JESUS AS A STONER!!!!

it's blasphemus!!! cannabis isn't such a big deal, but i would have thought that the christian community would be in up roar about this

[The-Dran]

About Jesus having an afro rather than long straight black hair?

[102387412]

So, did Jesus use cannabis? I think so. The word Christ does mean "the anointed one" and Bennett contends that Christ was anointed with chrism, a cannabis-based oil, that caused his spiritual visions. The ancient recipe for this oil, recorded in Exodus, included over 9lb of flowering cannabis tops (known as kaneh-bosem in Hebrew), extracted into a hin (about 11? pints) of olive oil, with a variety of other herbs and spices. The mixture was used in anointing and fumigations that, significantly, allowed the priests and prophets to see and speak with Yahweh.

http://www.cannabis.../jesus-cannabis.html

[ This would make an effective anti-pot ad. ]

[SolInvictus]

i love recycled posts

[rockizzy]

At 7/9/06 12:48 AM, 3rd_Front wrote: So, did Jesus use cannabis? I think so. The word Christ does mean "the anointed one" and Bennett contends that Christ was anointed with chrism, a cannabis-based oil, that caused his spiritual visions. The ancient recipe for this oil, recorded in Exodus, included over 9lb of flowering cannabis tops (known as kaneh-bosem in Hebrew), extracted into a hin (about 11? pints) of olive oil, with a variety of other herbs and spices. The mixture was used in anointing and fumigations that, significantly, allowed the priests and prophets to see and speak with Yahweh.

i love that! now it all makes sense... all those weird "miracles" and whatever else crazy stuff happened. instead of having to say that its all made up, i can now say its all true, the true story of some potheads and what they experienced when they were high.

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At 7/9/06 07:38 PM, YoureAllStupid wrote: There is no scriptual evidence to lead one to believe Jesus smoked pot, period.

Yes there is, see first post.

I don't see what all the Xtians are getting so worked up about anyways. Considering the nature of Christ, doping was bound to be one of his habits. Whether he was in control of it is something that can be debated I suppose.

[rockizzy]

At 7/9/06 11:32 PM, DarthTomato wrote: Personally I'm all for the use of herbal medicine, but people are wanting to say "Jesus smoked pot" as an arguement to using it themselves.

no. i wanna say "jesus smoked pot" as an argument why the bible is a bunch of crap and jesus not "the son of god". until now, i was far enough to say jesus was just some regular guy who managed to make people believe in what he said, then died as a matyr for his new movement. but all those "miracles" and stuff didnt make sense, so i used to say "all made up!". but if jesus smoked pot, and maybe his follower too, then it all makes sense. then nobody made anything up, instead they had just seen stuff when they were high, mistaking it for reality, thus telling the truth. which would make me hate christianity less, because then its just some stories made up by some poor little stoners, instead of crazy religious freaks who tried to prove some dumb point. hahaha, id even feel sorry for them... some stoners trying to tell the world about their drug experiences, and everyone thinks theyre trying to create a new religion. fun!

but then again, who cares. i dont think the "true origins" really matter anymore, people interpret the bible and religion whichever way they want anyway. no matter how far off it may seem, what matters is their religion the way it is now.

i wont become christian anyway, no matter if jesus was the jesus people think of today, or a stoner, or some alien from outer space. religion is stupid.

[firstJEWISHpope]

At 1/13/06 09:28 PM, AltedBan wrote:

At 1/13/06 09:19 PM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: "If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.

Thats insane. Did God ever prohibit the use of drugs? I seriously do not know of a verse that says "Thou shalt not smoke pot" People persecute cannabis users because I think they see it as a symbol of self-mutilation. NOT because God said not to. I think the guy is an idiot.

Actually, in the old testement A.K.A the Jewish bible it says not to get high, however, you can still smoke ciggarets and drink alcohol.

[Vampire-Addict]

Why don't you take your little topic and shove it up your A.N.U.S , you nihilist nazi fuck.

[Deathsaw]

I KNOW what the holy grail was used for now.

[silasybin]

You should make your argument Jesus took mushrooms not smoked pot. I've smoked pot since I was 16, and it has never made me hallucinate, or see miracles. Mushrooms on the other hand....